Was Mary Sinless?

The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

[Pyro7480]

[Uri’el-2012]

Yes, thank you, I seek God in His Word each Sunday and oftener as I can. Do you?

I do 8 - 10 hours of scriptural exegesis
with a noted bible teacher each week.

I also spend each Shabbat in prayer and scripture.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[wagglebee]

When God says all have sinned, he obviously doesn't include himself...

Actually, God didn't say that, Saint Paul wrote it.

However, I can see where this confusing for anti-Catholics, they nominally worship Paul as their god (though they are actually serving Satan).

[presently no screen name]

You ask where has Pope Benedict taught about importance of God's Word -- ROE answers you by referring to a book the pope wrote.

The pope writes a book about the importance but the catechism is their bible, along w/their man made teachings/doctrines. I can write a book about the importance of fruit and vegetables but eat twinkies all day long.

And you jump to some erroneous conclusion.

No. More like the Catholics jumped into the pool of deception.

That is sola intepretura

God's Word is God inspired. You think the pope's book is? Here's some WORDS on what your tradition has done...

"Thus you nullify the Word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13

How can the pope speak/write about God's Word in honesty, if he has already nullified it? Perhaps, in his book he will denounce the heresy teachings of the Vatican?

"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in VAIN; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

[wagglebee]

Nor will any Catholic pass.

Thanks for acknowledging what you believe.

Truth be told, NO real Christian would want any part of the anti-Catholic version of Heaven. Anti-Catholicism is really nothing more than an offshoot of Islam and that is probably where anti-Catholics will spend eternity.

[Quix]

BEAUTIFUL.

MUCH APPRECIATED.

[A CA Guy]

Mary was his respected loved mother. She is NOT God and we can at most ask her to pray for us like you might our own relatives who passed on.
IMO she is a great advocate to pray for you.

I don’t care about the sin question because in any case Christ has forgiven any sins IMO that would have been that.

[1000 silverlings]

Isaiah, speaking for God, said it first. But having read all the bible, you know that

Isaiah 53

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

[presently no screen name]

The counterfeit church took Mary, a servant of the Lord, and dressed her up with titles, accolades to make her their goddess.

It’s not Mary of the Bible but satan disguised as an angel of light.

And satan has fulfilled his mission through the RCC....I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.” Isa 14:12-14

[dartuser]

I'm telling you what the man said ...

According to his definition of prayer ... Jesus prayed TO Lazarus.

What is the issue? If you support his definition of prayer then you should have no problem admitting this. But what I think is happening is that you are seeing where this belief is going to lead.

Let me go further on his point ...

Since Jesus prayed to Lazarus ... why don't Catholics in general pray to Lazarus. Shouldnt you follow the example Christ gave and mix in a "Dear Lazarus" in between a Hail Mary and an Our Father?

Now let me say ... I am certainly applying the Limbaugh method of using absurdity to demonstrate absurdity. But this is the place you are forced to go when you impose arbitrary definitions upon the text to support a priori theological musings ... rather that exegete the Biblical passage and let it speak for itself. There is nothing in the text to impose the belief that "Jesus didn't command Lazarus" or "Jesus prayed to Lazarus."

even though so many of us admitted Catholics tell you we don’t partake in such a practice.

Which is it? Do you or do you not 'communicate' with dead saints?

[Grizzled Bear]

Nor will any Catholic pass.

Thanks for acknowledging what you believe.

Wagglebee, you did something very similar to Gamecock. Which of the "antiCatholics" are going to hell? Which are Heaven bound?

Can an "antiCatholic" go to Heaven?

Do you decide who may go, or are you simply an adviser?

[dartuser]

Actually, God didn't say that, Saint Paul wrote it.

Ah ... so now scripture is not inspired.

Maybe you should rephrase ...

[Grizzled Bear]

Since Jesus prayed to Lazarus ... why don't Catholics in general pray to Lazarus. Shouldnt you follow the example Christ gave and mix in a "Dear Lazarus" in between a Hail Mary and an Our Father?

When you pray to Lazarus, you're not supposed to pray with words. You're supposed to pray through interpretive dance. It's not in any scripture, but it's a tradition.

[presently no screen name]

Looking for cover is thin skinned.

[shurwouldluv_a_smallergov]

No, the Bible does not say they will die. You could be right, they may be the two witnesses in Revelation, but again, that is your interpretation of Scripture. It could also be someone not yet born, or someone we don’t know about.

The Catholic Church included the Book of Revelation in it’s canon, which it has defended over the years; if I remember correctly, Martin Luther wanted to toss it, along with the Epistle of James and the Letter to the Hebrews. The Church does teach that it is not an easy book, and there is a great deal of confusion about it; again it’s a matter of interpretation, but that is another discussion!

Does it say anywhere in the Bible that children should not be baptized? Where does it say that it is a conscious act? Does not Paul mention “whole households” being baptized? Would that not include children? Did not the early church baptize infants?

Sorry; I have to follow Jesus on this one; “let the children come to me”, and “no one can enter the kingdom of God without first being born of water and Spirit” as a couple of examples.

[wagglebee]

Ah ... so now scripture is not inspired.

I never said any such thing. Inspired and inerrant DO NOT mean that it was dictation.

Maybe you should rephrase ...

I'm not going to rephrase anything to accommodate anti-Catholic heretical beliefs and reading comprehension problems.

[1000 silverlings]

and by saying that Paul was not inspired, and was not quoting from his thorough knowledge of the OT, he does what? I say that he essentially denies the plan of salvation, for what good was Christ's sacrifice if all men everywhere are not sinners?

and perhaps this is what the Catholics are getting at, and really believe, that Jesus was no Savior and why they must needs worship a pure goddess, a figment of their own imaginations, a vanity

[Gamecock]

Actually, God didn't say that, Saint Paul wrote it.

More Holy Spirit bashing I see.

[1000 silverlings]

*but it's a tradition. *

why next they'll be joining in prayers to the UN's moon goddess

[Uri’el-2012]

Was Mary Sinless?

The first question to be asked is why does she need to be held to be sinless,

There does not seem to be a need.

Her only requirement was her bloodline.

Miriam's role was not her characteristics or value,
but her bloodlines to King David,
having no brothers and
the exception started by
the daughters of Zelophehad.

There are five things that are important here:

1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
and is descended from King David.

2. Joseph is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.

3. The inheritance exception granted for the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect (Numbers 26, 27, 36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7).

4. If a woman who has no brothers marries a man of the same tribe
She can inherit forever.

5. Joseph and Miriam are married (each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent inheritance
of the Kingship of David for her to pass on to her son Yah'shua (Messiahship).

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach