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LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible
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Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Godzilla; Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN
Especially
Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:07:21 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: restornu
Aside from the fact that the name Lucifer is a construct of St. Jerome when he translated the Setuagint into the Latin Vulgate, and the name was only found in his translation of the Setuagint book of Isaiah (Isaiah, circa 600BC), until the King James Version. And aside from the fact that the passage in Isaiah which has no name 'Lucifer' refers to a Babylonian king, not the devil, until St. Jerome made the Latin Vulgate translation. Aside from those facts, what makes you think Satan will ask that Jesus be his savior, rather than that Jesus bow down to him as he sought Jesus to do when Jesus was out in the wilderness before finishing His ministry?
Sorry, Resty, Jesus and Lucifer have never been brothers and never will be brothers. You're exposing your profound ignorance of Christianity, Resty. Give it a rest.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:07:42 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: metmom; Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN
Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. Why, you mean that the UNGODLY do not have to work to be worth, but simple faith and that it is a WORK OF GOD that credits them as being righteous!!! Making God's grace and OBLIGATION through works.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:15:44 PM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Godzilla
NEVER, lucifer is not a human being, never was, never will be, but a different creation all together.
***
scripture?
To: Jim Robinson
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:20:46 PM PST
by
RnMomof7
(Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
To: Stourme
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them,...
I just LOVE the things Jesus says!
John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:25:54 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: metmom
You beat me to it; so I'll leave THIS for us all:
Titus 3:3-8
At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.
But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.
He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:30:25 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: restornu
That guy is way behind WND has always been anti LDS as far back as 2004 when RazorMouth would write scathing anti LDS stuff.... Scathing?
The auDACITY to post historical FACTS?
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:33:31 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Religion Moderator
I just want to thank all of you that monitor the religion forum. This has to be the toughest of the forums to mod..
Every one of us have done hard nose apologetics on this forum, we have said words that others have taken offense at.. and every one of us has had words said to us that offend.. That is what freedom of speech means.. it does not mean the right not to be offended..
The mods here keep the line of traffic open without stomping on the rights of anyone here
Thanks again for all you guys do
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:33:37 PM PST
by
RnMomof7
(Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
To: Gamecock
Thou almost temptest me...
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:35:34 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: restornu
but not all hearts are unrighteious!
_______________________________________________
Yes Resty, every one...
There are none righteous, no not one...Romans 3:10
To: Stourme
Jesus then has requirements of us.And just what ARE there 'requirements'?
I can produce a list of MORMON ones if you can't find Jesus'.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:39:13 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Stourme
Jesus then has requirements of us.And just what will happen to a person if these 'requirements' are not kept?
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:40:33 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Stourme
It's failing these requiements which will keep the so called "believers" out of heaven. Ignore my last question and just SHOW the Scripture that this assertion comes from.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:41:44 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Stourme
But the promise of salvation is that Jesus would pay the price for sin and by doing so satisfy the law. Jesus then has requirements of us. It's failing these requiements which will keep the so called "believers" out of heaven. OK; I think I get it now:
SAVED by Grace;
KEPT by Works.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:42:58 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: metmom
Works are a result of salvation to glorify God. They dont earn salvation. Faith does that. Oh so TRUE!!
Works are ONLY needed if you want to KEEP your salvation!
--MormonDude(oh yeah; and pay yer 10% - on time - regularly, too.)
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:45:37 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Stourme
Stourme,
I just reread your post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2622457/posts?page=100#100
You claim there are conditions that you must meet to receive salvation.
I pointed out that Christ died for the ungodly- not for those who “try to be worthy.
You said that was “utterly devoid of truth.”
You were wrong. It was exactly what the Apostle Paul wrote.
As it turns out, your post was false.
If you believe what you posted, you will spend eternity in hell.
It will be because you refused to acknowledge that you are ungodly and tried to earn your own worthiness.
You can instead, turn to Him and acknowledge your own sinfulness, ungodliness and utter inability to live righteously.
Will you?
To: MHGinTN
OOOOOOOOOO
Is that a Southern type “ bless your little heart” ???
Or a regular kind ???
To: restornu; Jim Robinson
I have no clue what you are refering too the point I was making is that guy was way behind on WND, who enjoyed posted RazorMouth scathing strawman stuff on the LDS.
Standard LDS responses to data put to them:
1. How you interpret it is wrong...
2. You are too ignorant to really understand it because you are not a member....
3. You're not qualified to judge because you're no LONGER a member...
4. You are just a bigot for bringing the whole ugly truth to light ...
5. So's yer Mama!
6. Laugh it all off and post some silly image.
7. Jump down the rabbit hole; Alice!
8. Bait & Switch
9. The OTHER 'half' of the truth is what we are avoiding.
10. "I Know It When I See It"
11. Hand waving...
12. YOU play defense for a while.
13. HEE Hee hee... let's get the Calvinists and the Armenians fighting!
14. GREAT FUN! Let's get the Catholics and the Protestants fighting!
15. Huh? Did you say something?
16. If I repeat this enough times some folks will be fooled into thinking it's true.
17. Playing dumb.
18. Refusing to answer because your ATTITUDE offends them.
19. (Let's see if they'll fall for the 'Defend a freak' ploy.)
20. And the MOST used... IGNORE what they posted and answer the question that SHOULD have been asked.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:55:48 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: restornu
God created: Psalms 33:6; Psalm 148:2,5; Isaiah 40:26; Ephesians 3:9-10; Revelation 10:6; Nehemiah 9:6
Christ created: Colossians 1:16.
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posted on
11/07/2010 6:56:59 PM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
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