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To: kosta50; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
The Church sets apart (ordains) people who "hear the call" as the ones who make the bloodless offering instead of Jesus personally, in place of Christ, as an icon of Christ.

Bloodless offering? Really?

Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.

If it's a bloodless offering, then why teach that the cup becomes the blood of Christ?

And *offering*????

The priest is offering Christ? Jesus laid down His life of His own accord. Nobody took it from him. Nobody offered Him on an altar as if He were some kind of animal to be slaughtered several times a day in the mass.

Hebrews 10 1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,

"Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7Then I said, 'Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.'"

8When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law), 9then he added, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, 16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,"

17then he adds,

"I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."

18Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

The whole priesthood and sacrifice of the mass goes against Scripture, as does so much Catholic doctrine.

6,305 posted on 12/31/2010 5:54:47 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; annalex
Excellant post! Powerful Scriptures!

Noting over and over and over...."One time"...

"once" been cleansed .......

sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ "once" for all......

Christ had offered for all time a "single sacrifice" for sins.......

by a "single offering" he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified....

"Where there is forgiveness of these, ".....there is no longer any offering for sin."

6,310 posted on 12/31/2010 6:25:12 PM PST by caww
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To: metmom

“The whole priesthood and sacrifice of the mass goes against Scripture, as does so much Catholic doctrine.”

But..But..But..what about the “church fathers”, councils, traditions????


6,314 posted on 12/31/2010 7:00:57 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change
Bloodless offering? Really?

The Eucharistic offering doesn't involve slaughter.

Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins

What's in the blood that "remits" sins?

If it's a bloodless offering, then why teach that the cup becomes the blood of Christ?

There is no shedding of the blood. Look it up.

And *offering*??

Yes, which part don't you understand? Christ offered bread and wine.

The priest is offering Christ?

The priest is simply repeating what Jesus asked to be repeated.

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,"

Jeremiah was not writing about Christians. The fact that the author of the Book of Hebrews decided to Christianize Jeremiah is another thing.

6,326 posted on 12/31/2010 8:15:12 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: metmom
The whole priesthood and sacrifice of the mass goes against Scripture, as does so much Catholic doctrine.

It's really just the slow march back to the law with the Judaizers.

The original Apostolic Churchs had Elders/Oversears and Deacons, there were no priests.

6,337 posted on 12/31/2010 9:54:43 PM PST by bkaycee
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