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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: daniel1212
In Chapter 12, I agree with what you said that Paul further elaborates on the interdependence of the body, For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ." "That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another." (1Cor. 12:12,25)
[26] And if one member suffer any thing, all the members suffer with it; or if one member glory, all the members rejoice with it.
[27] Now you are the body of Christ, and members of member.
[28] And God indeed hath set some in the church; first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors/teachers; after that miracles; then the graces of healing, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches.
[29] Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers/doctors?
[30] Are all workers of miracles? Have all the grace of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?


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In Chapter 15, verse 29 has this

KJV: 29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
NIV: 29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?
NASB 29Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
6,981 posted on 01/11/2011 4:05:30 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: boatbums
repeating specifically

You said I fully believe in the spiritual body of Christ and we ARE already one in the faith. Just because we may not all speak the same language, wear the same clothes, conduct our worship in the same manner, doesn't mean we are not one in the Spirit because the Holy Spirit is who recognizes us - what's in our hearts - and he is who unites us.

That feeling does you credit and demonstrates the love of Christ that is in you.

I reciprocate the same feelings for you, but I'm not as nice as you are :)
6,982 posted on 01/11/2011 4:11:04 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
Mark Jewishness is matrilinear; if your father is Jewish and your mother is not, you are not considered Jewish until you convert.

--> good point, because Jesus was Jewish right, from His Mother's side. If Jewishness is through the paternal line....
6,983 posted on 01/11/2011 4:16:47 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..
"Catholic" and "Christian" are not synonymous. Do not conflate the two.

Since they are identical, I don't see the problem.

Wow. You consider the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy Christians?

What about some hit man for the Mafia? What about those priests who molest children?

Show me where, in the Bible, believers are called *Catholics*. Followers of Christ are called Christian by Scripture

Acts 11:26
...and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.

You can claim all you want that Catholics are by default Christians, but considering what some Catholics live like, I'd hardly call them *followers of Christ* or *little Christs*.

See, that's the problem with Catholicism. It calls people Christians based on baptism, not based on genuine rebirth demonstrated by lifestyle.

By conflating the two, you end up being put in a position where people who engage in all kinds of evil are labeled *Christian* by the Catholic church based on nothing more than ceremony. And this from the church which demands that people add works to their faith to be saved?

People who don't walk the talk are NOT Christians, no matter how observant a Catholic they are.

Granted there are likely to be a few real Christians in the Catholic church, but based on my experience with Catholics on the every day lay person level, they're few and far between.

And I've never had the privilege, thank God, of dealing with the Catholics on the clergy level, which is even worse.

Go ahead. Call pro-aborts and child molesters *Christian*. It lends so much to your credibility.

The fact that you equate the the term *Catholic* and the term *Christian* and don't see a problem with that, by your own admission, demonstrates a degree of spiritual blindness that is staggering.

6,984 posted on 01/11/2011 6:42:34 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Quix
Don't Catholics anoint with oil during Last Rites?

What about this?

Holy Water, Oil, Soil & Incense

"Our Lady of Lourdes plastic water bottle is filled with 6 oz. of Lourdes water. Highly filtered and drinkable with a twist off cap, this water is imported from Lourdes, France."

6,985 posted on 01/11/2011 6:48:49 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

The sin nature still comes through the man.

Show us where in Scripture it states that the sin nature comes through the woman.


6,986 posted on 01/11/2011 6:52:01 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww

I asked you specifically about Jewishness.


6,987 posted on 01/11/2011 7:03:20 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr
See, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians, MEthodists, Pentecostals, Baptists are all Christians. They affirm the Nicene Creed.

Now your group is not Christian. See, that's the difference.

Catholic,Lutheran, Orthodox,Presbyterian, Pentecostals, Baptists = Christian groups(all affirm the Nicene creed).

your group = not Christian.
6,988 posted on 01/11/2011 7:06:53 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: metmom
"Our Lady of Lourdes plastic water bottle is filled with 6 oz. of Lourdes water. Highly filtered and drinkable with a twist off cap, this water is imported from Lourdes, France."


"I want to know why it was necc. to make the Mary figure glow-in-the-dark, and to have her suspended in the Lourdes water. Does she suddenly start glowing, a.k.a. functions like a dosimiter (radiation monitoring device) if the vial springs a leak?"
-- Alex Murphy, February 6, 2007


Lourdes WaterTM is now available in both ready-mix concentrate and full-strength formulas. Comes with a free sprayer.

6,989 posted on 01/11/2011 7:33:08 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Cronos; metmom
I asked you specifically about Jewishness.

Why? Do you, as a resident (citizen?) of Poland, have a problem with Jewishness?
Poles Confront the Dark Side [lifting the silence around anti-semitism in Poland]

6,990 posted on 01/11/2011 7:41:38 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Cronos; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

I was discussing the sin nature coming through the man. That transcends nationality.

Try to stay on topic.

Where’s the Scripture verse that says the sin nature comes through the woman?


6,991 posted on 01/11/2011 7:56:21 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos

So, according to you, someone is a Christian based on lip service to a creed?

Interesting.

Was Jesus wrong then when He said it was through Him?

What about Pelosi, Kennedy, Mafia hit men, and the molesting priests? If they agree with the creed, they’re Christians? Would Jesus act like any of them?


6,992 posted on 01/11/2011 7:58:57 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

gag.


6,993 posted on 01/11/2011 9:40:01 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: boatbums
Yup, might be. Could be. May be. Depending on our Christian conduct which will be Judged by the Almighty.

I was just waiting for someone to finally say this!

Just giving you the real Scriptures, not recent and novel interpretations of them.

Like I've said before, go right ahead and trust in your good deeds to usher you into Heaven.

I've corrected you on this many times. I see that I have to yet again. I never said that my good deeds could usher me to Heaven.

So my works will be held up to God's judgment and the penalty for my sins has already been paid in full by the blood of Christ and I will not be judged guilty of them. It will be an acquittal by God's grace through faith. And I know that not all the things that I have done for Christ are all gold, silver and precious stones, but I will watch those that aren't burn, trusting in the righteous judge and, in the end, all the rewards I may be given I will lay at the feet of Jesus who alone is worthy to receive all glory, honor and praise for all eternity!

Even Paul does not agree with that, as I have showed you. Certainly that is not the Gospel.

6,994 posted on 01/11/2011 10:18:27 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: boatbums
I don't know whether to keep up this silly charade of a discussion or go find someone else to talk to. Perhaps you didn't know this, but, Jesus DID have legal HUMAN right to the throne of David. You may not care but God took the trouble to spell out Jesus' lineage in both Matthew (Joseph)and Luke (Mary). Didn't you ever wonder why?

The promise was made by God that the Messiah would be of the line of David. There is no legality about it. He kept His word to us. Fulfillment of the prophecy, not legality.

6,995 posted on 01/11/2011 10:20:07 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
In order to prove something, you actually have to prove it. Your posts are in error and do not reflect Christianity. They do not even reflect Scripture. Prove to us that sin is transmitted through the father only using Scripture, if you please. You were the one who bragged openly that you learned this through the FR RF. Where does your learning come from? Where are the proofs? Where is the Scripture that you guys say that you only follow? You aren't kidding us on this are you?

I very seldom make reference to "Catholic Answers" but I thought you might be interested the following:

"This sin of Adam’s was not your ordinary sin. This was a sin that affected all mankind forever. This sin changed the course of human history. It did not just affect Adam personally; it also affected his human nature—which means it affected our nature, since we inherited it from him. Adam and Eve were created with immortal bodies. They knew no suffering, they knew no disease, they knew no death. Before the fall, their bodies would not have been subject to cancer or to Alzheimer’s disease or heart attacks or muscular dystrophy or sickle cell anemia or any one of a host of other diseases. But ours are."

Catholic Answers - Sin Through Adam (He was the man wasn't he?)

6,996 posted on 01/11/2011 10:21:36 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Scriptural discernment tells Protestants and apparently most Roman Catholics that the sin nature is passed from Adam to his children, and thus from the father to his off spring.do not prove your point. Scripture says that sin entered the world through one man. You are taking it a step further beyond Scripture. That is not sola, Dr. E.

You’ve been given Scripture...

Which does not say what you tell me it says.

...and your own catechism.

Why is an anti Catholic using the Catechism to prove their own faith and not relying on Scripture.

Now show us where Scripture, your catechism or anyone but you says man’s sin nature comes from the mother.

It doesn't say that it comes specifically from either. You made the claim, you prove it.

You’re quick with the questions, Mark, but so far, you’re void of answers. If you’re so certain we’re wrong, you must have some evidence to back-up your claims. Where is it?

I am not the one claiming anything - you are. You are a sola believer - well, prove it with sola.

6,997 posted on 01/11/2011 10:25:44 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
Why are you introducing strawmen again? Nobody said that God was constricted to man made human legalities. God is, however, constricted to the promises HE made.

The point was made about the legality of Jesus. It is not and never was a point about legality; it was about God's fulfillment of God's promise to us.

The promise to David was that the throne was to be given to one of David's descendants.

Correct; no legalities involved.

6,998 posted on 01/11/2011 10:27:47 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
Mark is also quick to tell us we’re wrong, but not so quick to demonstrate that he is right.

You guys are sola; well prove your claim with sola. I didn't make a claim; you guys did. Well, prove it with sola.

They reject our Scriptural support and offer nothing in return.

Scriptural support? Random verses do not prove anything except grasping at straws in order to try to save face after making silly statements.

It’s really pathetic the unscriptural nonsense invoked to support their worship of Mary.

You'll have to elaborate; I don't and Catholic that I know of worships Mary. But I did think it funny listening to the hens giggle over not passing any sin on to their children - just their men would. Does that mean that the hens now consider themselves sinless?

6,999 posted on 01/11/2011 10:33:26 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: boatbums
Well this is what they teach in the Catechism regarding the sin nature:

There is no mention of 'sin nautre' in your excerpt. And sentence 294 addresses what the Faith believes.

7,000 posted on 01/11/2011 10:35:29 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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