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Hell Has to Be
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | July 16, 2010 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 09/26/2010 2:35:35 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 09/26/2010 2:35:36 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Sometimes it is necessary to state the obvious.


2 posted on 09/26/2010 2:36:30 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: NYer

Now suppose a young man wanted a young lady to love him. Suppose he threatened to punish her with smoke, and fire, and brimstone for eternity for withholding that love. Presto! She “loves” him! Is it love? No, it is fear. Love, to be love, has to be free.


3 posted on 09/26/2010 2:40:02 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

Bingo! Do your research on languages & contexts, and one will find this nonsense about an eternal fiery pit is crap that was introduced by Pagan traditions into the church. God is not a two headed monster who says love me or I will torture you forever.


4 posted on 09/26/2010 2:46:44 PM PDT by badbass
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To: badbass
God is not a two headed monster who says love me or I will torture you forever.

OTOH, allah is.

5 posted on 09/26/2010 2:49:57 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 614 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: NYer

What about people who love the idea of God and heaven (as it really is) but are agnostics? They are miserable throughout their lives and hopeless because they don’t believe even though they wish to believe.

Does God give them a second chance in the next life or are they also doomed to hell?


6 posted on 09/26/2010 2:51:51 PM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Gunslingr3
So she drinks and suddenly, presto., she “loves” him! Is it love?

Before it could be answered, the young man was tragically injured and emasculated. Now day's he's on the run from the his crazed lover! Was it love?

7 posted on 09/26/2010 2:52:08 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Soothesayer

We don’t know. Your description sounds rather like Mark Twain, poor man.


8 posted on 09/26/2010 2:54:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, Luna Lovegood. Get it?)
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To: NYer

“And God won?t make you live some place where you are not happy.”


Yeah, ok Father. What good are scriptures when certain “religions” just make things up?


9 posted on 09/26/2010 2:54:44 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: NYer

The Devil was a pagan creation hundreds of years after Christ walked the Earth. I don’t buy it one bit. God is not a sadistic bastard that says love me or else.


10 posted on 09/26/2010 2:55:54 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: NYer

This makes me feel all lovey dovey and ooey gooey on the inside after reading this article.

And then I read the Bible. I trust what God’s Word says on the matter, and not some priest.


11 posted on 09/26/2010 3:01:55 PM PDT by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: NYer

Eckhart Tolle would approve of this article.


12 posted on 09/26/2010 3:03:38 PM PDT by Amerikan_Samurai
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And then I read the Bible. I trust what God’s Word says on the matter, and not some priest.

Does the priest lie about what is written in scripture?

13 posted on 09/26/2010 3:09:39 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: badbass

Your life is full of forked roads. Good and evil, yes and no, only you can make those choices. God does the same thing with Heaven and Hell. You chose the road you will take, God does not send you there, you send you there.


14 posted on 09/26/2010 3:10:25 PM PDT by fish hawk (there is only one God and he is not called Allah)
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To: badbass
God is not a two headed monster who says love me or I will torture you forever.

Where did you see that in this article?

15 posted on 09/26/2010 3:13:57 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: badbass; Gunslingr3

The Vedas teach of hell, in the Puranas there are many descriptions of not just one but many hells. The punishments are of extremely long duration, but not eternal.

And all atheists go to hell, it is stated.


16 posted on 09/26/2010 3:19:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: NYer

“So here is the best I can do on a difficult topic.”

It’s only difficult to priests and professors of theology (from an earlier thread on the same subject).


17 posted on 09/26/2010 3:25:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: little jeremiah
And all atheists go to hell, it is stated.

LOL. Manufactured fear of a supernatural eternal evil place doesn't work on atheists. It only works on people who have the ability to believe in supernaturalism.

Serious question: Okay, I'm an atheist and I'm going to hell. Fine. Is there any difference between myself, who rejects the idea of anything supernatural and, say, my orthodox Jewish neighbor? Or my observant Catholic friend? Or my son's Hindi playmate? Yes, I know these are "basic" and "gotcha" questions, but I really AM curious what someone like you thinks about this stuff.
18 posted on 09/26/2010 3:33:19 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: CodeToad
The Devil was a pagan creation hundreds of years after Christ walked the Earth

So who tempted Jesus in Gethsemane on the night before his execution?

19 posted on 09/26/2010 3:44:54 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: whattajoke

No one should care what I “think” about heaven or hell. And neither do I care about what thoughts might flicker through my mind. What I care about and what any human worthy of the title “human being” should care about is the truth. Obejctive reality, truth, does God exist. That’s the difference between human life and animal life. Poor animals cannot consider or seek for transcendent truth. Humans can, and that is the duty and mission of human life.

So flickering thoughts of any human are not useful unless cognizance is lighted and informed by truth, which is found in various scriptures, and dawns within the heart as realized truth, experienced deep within, by the mercy of God.

The Vedas teach that atheists go to hell. But as long as there is breath in the body, each person can choose to pray to God - even if they are not sure He exists, or think He may not exist - and ask Him. Even at the last second of earthly existence. But it is harder when one has spent an entire life of rebellion against Him; not impossible, just much harder.

Better to ask such questions now.

I used to be an atheist. But I questioned, and sought the truth. Knock, and the door will be opened. Seek, and you will find.


20 posted on 09/26/2010 3:45:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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