ELCA pastor drives ‘God talk’ initiative

United Methodist News Service ^ | 16 Auguat AD 2010 | Susan Hogan

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The Rev. Ann Tiemeyer, an ELCA pastor, is helping to spearhead an inclusive language initiative by the National Council of Churches. She's the NCC's program director for women's ministry. (Courtesy photo)

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Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Be rooted in Christ!

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It is bovine excrement such as this which drives many Lutherans into Orthodoxy, where the sacred Liturgy declares "Blessed is the kingdom of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" without shame or apology.

Indeed, our local Antiochian congregation finds most of its new members coming from Lutheranism. For that reason:

Orthodox Ping!

[aliquando]

This is a cartload of horse manure. Social justice is a code word for socialism and wealth redistribution. G_D the Father is not a phrase to be toyed with.

[throwback]

Hope G_d appreciates the favor that as we evolve ever onwards towards perfection, we're bringing Him along as well. What would He do without us? /sarc

[circlecity]

There have been a couple of “inclusive language” bibles published (TNIV, NRSV) and they have been disasters. Luckily, they can’t give them away - the market is miniscule.

[Cronos]

How does a mother explain the blond-haired, blue-eyed Jesus at church to her dark-skinned child?”

Is she crazy? Jesus is everyman. He looked like an Asiatic Jew: brown skinned, most likely brown eyed and black hair. He would have looked like a Yemeni Jew


And, Jesus can be depicted as black, white, asian, whatever -- He was / is God after all, and transcends silly things like color and race

[SmithL]

This is the follow-up to Are Protestants failing inclusive language?.

Are Protestant denominations backsliding when it comes to using inclusive language? Some members of the National Council of Churches think so. Read on.

Just don't call this nonsense "politically correct".

[StarfireIV]

Greetings and Salutations!
I had the good fortune of having heard a sermon Jaynan Clark, President of Word Alone Ministies. She speaks in a respectful, but demanding tone which is both grounded in pragmatism yet also provides evidemce of her intellectual strength. Her written work is just as inspired and inspiring. This is quite a departure from the "I'm OK, you're ok" namby pambyism seen here and described by Lewis as a watered down message.

Regarding the painting prophets and saints in the colors of culture and race: This is neither recent, nor is it exclusive to Christendom. I have seen depictions of Buddah in statuary from Afghanistan and the Middle East in which the statues look like those modeled of classical antiquity and far different from statuary I have seen in China and Japan. Diverse examples in Christianity not only include the works Michaelangelo but also include the portfolios of Albrecht Duerer and Fra Angelico.

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I won't have anything to do with a denominational group that ordains women as pastors/priests/leaders. Such teaching invariable involves distorting truth and proliferating heresy.

Can anyone tell me, do all branches of Methodism affirm women in the priesthood?

[Yudan]

Lord.
Have.
Mercy.

That’s all I’ve got. When I see these “wimmen” in Western clerical collars...it’s such a ridiculous parody...

Lord, have mercy.

[Col Freeper]

Thanks for the link.

I read the material there, then a number of the comments (I couldn't manage force myself to wade through them all).

It saddened me to read about what some people spend their time, and apparently much of their lives, arguing about, as they try to reform God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost into something that they "can be comfortable with".

I pray that they will open their hearts to the light of Jesus, and let him lead them out of the darkness they now reside within, where they endlessly argue about (and against) the only one who can provide their salvation.

[bjorn14]

Sponsored by the National Council of Churches. ‘nuff said.

[Elsiejay]

I highly recommend a smallish book, “The Seduction of Extremes,” by Peter Kurowski, a pastor in the LCMS, published by Torelion Productions LLC, 10005 Keith Inct. Ct., St. Louis MO 63114. See also www.lawgospel.com.
Rev. Kurowski’s chapter on female ordination is the best argument against it that I’ve ever seen, covering both scriptural and worldly/practical aspects.

[lightman]

Aye.

One of my favorite Christmas songs from recent decades:

Some children see Him lily white,
The Baby Jesus born this night,
Some children see Him lily white,
With tresses soft and fair.
Some children see Him bronzed and brown,
The Lord of heavn’ to earth come down;
Some children see Him bronzed and brown,
With dark and heavy hair.

Some children see Him almond eyed
This Savior whom we kneel beside.
Some children see Him almond-eyed,
With skin of yellow hue.
Some children see Him dark as they
Sweet Mary’s Son to whom we pray;
Some children see Him dark as they,
And ah! They love Him too!

The children in each diff’rent place
Will see the Baby Jesus’ face
Like their, but bright with heavn’ly grace,
And filled with holy light.
O lay aside each earthly thing,
And with thy heart as offering,
Come worship now the Infant King,
‘Tis love that’s born tonight.

[MarilynBr]

This conference is so 70’s. As a seminary educated woman, I would much rather see women clergy spending their discussions and time on learning how to revitalize churches that are struggling and need solid leaders to help turn them around.

[firebasecody]

Indeed, another reminder as to why I left the Lutheran Church to embrace and be embraced by Orthodoxy.

[Cronos]

You’re right — it’s not “politically correct”, it is “brainless idiots who have nothing better to do and don’t even know how to pray”, or “idiots” for short :)

[Cronos]

nice, where is it from? I’ve not heard it before

[Cronos]

welcome home..