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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; Diamond; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
People do. And they do have an agreed standard to which they agree, usually based on their narrowly defined interests.

And this is possible — HOW??? If standards are narrowly defined according to personal interests, then what is there to agree about?

You speak as if you were some kind of "law giver," kosta — evidently you aver statements as if they were already the laws of the universe, without putting up one single shred of evidence to back them.

Case in point: you wrote —

Might is right in reality. We just dress it up in fancy terms to make it look benevolent.

Shades of Callicles here! He, the "advocate" of the "might = right" school of thought, confronting Socrates, who will have none of it....

Near the end of Gorgias, that surly cur Callicles threatens Socrates' life. And evidently makes good on it; as we find out in the Apologia.... Evidently the matter in contention is not some idle divertissement, but literally a matter of life and death.... Then and now.

Your answers to my questions so far are neither direct nor complete. It's not a matter of my personal taste; it's a matter of evidence, of logic, of reason.

I don't want your "opinion," Kosta. Doxa is not Logos.

You wrote:

And what standard are you talkling about? Where is that standard except in human heads?

If the standard is "in human heads" at all, it is because it first exists in natural reality. If it weren't there already, "human heads" couldn't discover it.
529 posted on 08/20/2010 1:50:54 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; Diamond; Dr. Eckleburg
And this is possible — HOW??? If standards are narrowly defined according to personal interests, then what is there to agree about?

You don't have to know HOW your TV works in order to know that it works.

Obviously, people agree on specific issues, such as race, sex, form of government, justice, etc. That is a fact, betty boop.

What is "just" in some societies is not just in others. That is also a fact. Put two and two together and you come up with a factual conclusion that justice is relative to the society in question, and that the each society has come up with a standard by some means.

You speak as if you were some kind of "law giver," kosta — evidently you aver statements as if they were already the laws of the universe, without putting up one single shred of evidence to back them.

The evidence is the REAL world around you which you may have left long time ago. The only ones who have no evidence are people who claim there are hypostatic entities, such as the Universal Law and Morality floating around in cosmos.

Oh that somehow "proves" might is not right? Such as America being the superpower has nothing to do with America having some influence in the world? No, of course not. Get real. Maybe reading current political events would be more helpful then some 2500 year-old Greek philosophical escapades.

I don't want your "opinion," Kosta.

Then don't ask me for my opinions.

If the standard is "in human heads" at all, it is because it first exists in natural reality. If it weren't there already, "human heads" couldn't discover it.

Oh yeah, Donald Duck exists in natural reality as a cosmic Platonic hypostasis. Otherwise Walt Disney could not have discovered him. LOL!

533 posted on 08/20/2010 3:20:05 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: betty boop

Thanks for all your pings.


543 posted on 08/20/2010 7:01:19 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: betty boop
Doxa is not Logos.

Precisely so.

551 posted on 08/20/2010 9:07:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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