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To: stfassisi; kosta50; slimemold; betty boop; YHAOS
Ah yes, legalized abortion ,pornography,soon to be legalized gay marriage etc... you name and it and more will be here soon all under the guise of false liberty,dear sister.

These sins arise from the hearts of men not our form of government.

And conversely, governments - including theocracies - cannot remove sin from the hearts of men.

Only God can do that.

I do pray earnestly for America and more specifically for a Spiritual revival in America.

108 posted on 07/26/2010 10:06:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

“”These sins arise from the hearts of men not our form of government””

When government thinks it can separate itself from the Church and form its own sort of Church ,it’s easy to see degradation of morality,thus the system fails because it separated itself from the Church and never understood what true freedom and liberty is in the first place.

More from Pope Leo XIII Libertas

There are others, somewhat more moderate though not more consistent, who affirm that the morality of individuals is to be guided by the divine law, but not the morality of the State, for that in public affairs the commands of God may be passed over, and may be entirely disregarded in the framing of laws. Hence follows the fatal theory of the need of separation between Church and State. But the absurdity of such a position is manifest. Nature herself proclaims the necessity of the State providing means and opportunities whereby the community may be enabled to live properly, that is to say, according to the laws of God. For, since God is the source of all goodness and justice, it is absolutely ridiculous that the State should pay no attention to these laws or render them abortive by contrary enact menu. Besides, those who are in authority owe it to the commonwealth not only to provide for its external well-being and the conveniences of life, but still more to consult the welfare of men’s souls in the wisdom of their legislation. But, for the increase of such benefits, nothing more suitable can be conceived than the laws which have God for their author; and, therefore, they who in their government of the State take no account of these laws abuse political power by causing it to deviate from its proper end and from what nature itself prescribes. And, what is still more important, and what We have more than once pointed out, although the civil authority has not the same proximate end as the spiritual, nor proceeds on the same lines, nevertheless in the exercise of their separate powers they must occasionally meet. For their subjects are the same, and not infrequently they deal with the same objects, though in different ways. Whenever this occurs, since a state of conflict is absurd and manifestly repugnant to the most wise ordinance of God, there must necessarily exist some order or mode of procedure to remove the occasions of difference and contention, and to secure harmony in all things. This harmony has been not inaptly compared to that which exists between the body and the soul for the well-being of both one and the other, the separation of which brings irremediable harm to the body, since it extinguishes its very life.


122 posted on 07/27/2010 5:55:56 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Alamo-Girl; stfassisi; kosta50; slimemold; YHAOS; Quix
These sins arise from the hearts of men not our form of government. And conversely, governments — including theocracies — cannot remove sin from the hearts of men. Only God can do that.

Certainly if stfassisi is looking for a "perfect" form of government in this world prior to the Second Coming of Christ, he will only be disappointed.

The Framers' purposes and goals were far more modest than that. They were aware that human nature tends naturally to the sinful; the only remedy for this is to be perfected in Christ. But Christ is not a secular politician!

If a "secular" Christ shows up, we're probably looking at the Antichrist....

I too share in your earnest prayer for a Spiritual revival in America!

Thank you ever so much for writing, dearest sister in Christ!

149 posted on 07/27/2010 2:44:35 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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