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The Authority of the Church, Chapter III: The Catholic Church is one. It is under one visible head
The Authority of the Church ^ | 16th century A.D. | St. Francis de Sales

Posted on 06/14/2010 12:32:47 PM PDT by Pyro7480

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After being repeatedly rebuffed in his attempts to re-evangelize Calvinist Protestants who would not listen to Catholic preaching for fear of reprisals, St. Francis turned to writing leaflets and inserting them into copies of his sermons, which he then posted on walls, slipped under doors and handing to whomever he could. Four years later, almost 72,000 had returned to the ancient Catholic Faith! These tracts have been compiled into a book and given the title The Catholic Controversy. The works are still as fresh and powerful today as they were then, and give some of the most compelling arguments against Protestantism that have ever been written, presenting a defense of the Catholic Faith that in some respects has never been equalled.
1 posted on 06/14/2010 12:32:47 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 06/14/2010 12:34:38 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

the truth always wins out over man made ‘sola scriptura’ shams......


3 posted on 06/14/2010 12:36:22 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Pyro7480

Interesting. So Catholics deride the Anglicans for having a non-Biblical person at the head of its church, while the Catholics have a non-Biblical person at the head of theirs.

In reality, only Christ is the Head of the Church.


4 posted on 06/14/2010 12:37:19 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: ConservativeMind

The key word is “visible.” Of course, Christ is the Head of the Church, but He is in glory in Heaven.


5 posted on 06/14/2010 12:39:14 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Where do you get those works? Also, in the first lines of this post, I see a major error. I know a lot of so called Catholics who not only don’t believe the Pope is vicar but believe a lot of other wacky things too... like karma. Whatever. I know the Church can’t make people believe but I do think that a lot of our churches are very sad about teaching doctrine and the Bible.


6 posted on 06/14/2010 12:39:42 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: ConservativeMind

Yepper.


7 posted on 06/14/2010 12:40:11 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Pyro7480

He is right beside me too.


8 posted on 06/14/2010 12:40:29 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Pyro7480

Why isn’t this labeled Catholic Caucus? Only a Catholic would care about it.


9 posted on 06/14/2010 12:40:57 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Pyro7480

Oh and Pyro, one more thing. You guys have got to start editing down these things. I know there is stuff in there I want to read, but my life isn’t long enough to get through it. Even the Bible breaks things into nice little chunks. How about it?


10 posted on 06/14/2010 12:41:47 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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The works are still as fresh and powerful today as they were then

And just as wrong.

11 posted on 06/14/2010 12:47:22 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Paved Paradise

These were taken from tracts written by St. Francis de Sales himself, and then compiled into book form. I’ve been posting them chapter by chapter.


12 posted on 06/14/2010 12:49:44 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Not according to the legal docs filed by the Vatican Legal Consul.

Vatican lawyers say Catholicism is little more than a loosely knit group of like minded Christians.

Papal supremacy is just a myth.

Bishop of Rome only.


13 posted on 06/14/2010 12:51:59 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Liberals are right. The AZ situation is like Nazi Germany. Mexico is Germany and Arizona is Poland)
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To: NoLibZone

Stick to the subject at hand.


14 posted on 06/14/2010 12:56:33 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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2Tim.3:16

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I have never had a problem not finding truth that is applicable to today that tells me His will.

God doesn’t lie:

The Bible tells us that the only true God is not like man’s concept of a god.

“God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do?

Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?” (Numbers 23:19).

God is not like men. Men might tell lies, but God cannot lie. Even if we determined that every man on earth lied,

God would still be true (Romans 3:4).

God is the God of truth (Deuteronomy 32:4).

He will not lie (I Samuel 15:29).

More importantly, God cannot lie. “Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began” (Titus 1:1-2).

The fact that God is unable to lie is an important concept to every Christian. For one thing, our Bibles come from God. How much trust would you have in its teachings if you knew that God might have lied to man?

Do mere mortals lie?

YES!

Rom.3:10

[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:


15 posted on 06/14/2010 12:58:44 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Pyro7480

This is verbatim of st francis or modern english?


16 posted on 06/14/2010 1:01:20 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail the Virgin Mary!)
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To: nmh

fascinating but utterly meaningless as long as folks assume their pastor has the correct interpretation on doctrinal issues, and the little bible only church down the street disagrees, and the third church of Me and the Bible and HS are all i need church, disagree with the previous two churches about the same doctrines...

all from using the throughly unbiblical man made scripture alone ploy.....

youve made your beds now lie in them..

i will take the historical catholic church that is the ‘pillar and foundation of the truth’ before some pastor out of Whatever Theological Institute starts throwing scripture grenades out left and right, and the next pastor or pastorette starts flinging scripture passages on her own interpretation of what the previous pastor said that disagrees with some other protestant claiming his is the correct version, etc, etc, thru thousands of competing man-made bible only churches arguing that everyone else is wrong...


17 posted on 06/14/2010 1:13:50 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Pyro7480
Characteristics of a cult:

1) They claim to be the **true** church.

2) If a person leaves the **true** church they risk eternal damnation in hell.

3) They have an anointed hierarchy.

4) This hierarchy regardless of how corrupt is impervious to reform by action of the common laity.

5) Salvation is through the ministration of the **true** sacraments by their **true** priesthood. Of course if a member leaves the true sacraments and true priesthood he is in danger of eternal damnation.

18 posted on 06/14/2010 1:22:29 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Pyro7480

I thought it was very pertinent.


19 posted on 06/14/2010 1:34:14 PM PDT by DManA
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To: johngrace

It’s a translation of the original 16th century French.


20 posted on 06/14/2010 1:45:51 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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