Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply

Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

[annalex]

Whenever the word is ‘woman’ it is referring to Israel.

Christ called His mother "woman".

Interesting dogmatic statement though. Is there a code machine in the Protestant hands that substitutes common words like that? What is "man", Burkina Faso?

Thank you, God, for not making me Protestant.

[editor-surveyor]

A complete reading of the text, including all of the elements, shows that it is Israel.

There is no discernable reason to even be considering Mary in that context; a ‘literal’ reading there is impossible.

[editor-surveyor]

"Thank you, God, for not making me Protestant."

Please do not thank God for the deceptions of the Adversary!

[RnMomof7]

The word for Christian priest is "presbyteros". "Hiereus" refers to a pagan of Hebrew levitical priest. "Priest" derives from "presbyteros". It is true that it also is used on occasion to describe Hebrew priests, as in Mark 15:1.

The greek word in Mark 15:1 is not presbyteros it is archiereus

Translates

1) chief priest, high priest
2) the high priests, these comprise in addition to one holding the high priestly office, both those who had previously discharged it and although disposed, continued to have great power in the State, as well as the members of the families from which high priest were created, provided that they had much influence in public affairs.
3) Used of Christ because by undergoing a bloody death he offered himself as an expiatory sacrifice to God, and has entered into the heavenly sanctuary where he continually intercedes on our behalf.

Please check your greek. As I said before the greek language has a specific word for priest..there was no role of priest outlined in the NT church m, because the hebrew priesthood was a type of Christ..Once He had offered Himself up there was no longer a need for priest or sacrifice..

English (KJV) (Help) Strong's Root Form (Greek) Tense
And g2532 καί kai
straightway g2112 εὐθέως eutheōs
in g1909 ἐπί epi
the morning g4404 πρωΐ prōï
the chief priests g749 ἀρχιερεύς archiereus

Youngs literal translation

Mar 15:1 And immediately, in the morning, the chief priests having made a consultation, with the elders, and scribes, and the whole sanhedrim, having bound Jesus, did lead away, and delivered [him] to Pilate;

[annalex]

a ‘literal’ reading there is impossible

Verse 5 shows the woman to be a physical mother of a son, and verse 10 shows the Son to be Christ. Nothing else contradicts that either.

[annalex]

Boith words are used: "οι αρχιερεις μετα των πρεσβυτερων".

[RnMomof7]

Verse 5 shows the woman to be a physical mother of a son, and verse 10 shows the Son to be Christ. Nothing else contradicts that either.

It also shows her grow wings and fly ....

[editor-surveyor]

"It also shows her grow wings and fly"

Now, you know that's no impediment to Mary; she does everything else...

[annalex]

Mary is not the only one assumed into heaven. So was St. Elijah.

Again, -- I believe I made this point a few times on this thread: since verses 5 and 10 inambiguously identify the woman as Mary, you should read the rest andlearn something form it about Mary. Not start with some mariophobic dogma then twist the scripture so that words not longer mean anything.

Thank you Lord for not making me a Protestant.

[RnMomof7]

οι αρχιερεις μετα των πρεσβυτερων". =priest

Douay-Rheims Bible
AND straightway in the morning, the chief priests holding a consultation with the ancients and the scribes and the whole council, binding Jesus, led him away, and delivered him to Pilate.

Not a presbyter in sight

[editor-surveyor]

"Mary is not the only one assumed into heaven."

There is not a single word in all the scriptures to indicate such a thing! - You tread on dangerous ground with this!

[editor-surveyor]

How did Mary earn her wings?

[RnMomof7]

Mary is not the only one assumed into heaven. So was St. Elijah.

I was not referring to that I was quoting the text

13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

[annalex]

I am not sure what your point is, but "πρεσβυτερων" is plural genitive of presbyter.

[annalex]

Well, like I said, you had thought so, but now that we’ve seen Mary given wings and walking on clouds we as Bible believing Christians just have to adjust our dogmas, don’t we?

[annalex]

Grace is never earned. You didn’t learn that in AWANA?

[annalex]

Yes. I recognized the quote.

[RnMomof7]

I have posted the greek text, a literal translation of the text and still you want to claim that presbyter means priest.....just not so my friend and i posted earlier the practice of a priesthood in the catholic church came much later..it was not apostolic in origination

[editor-surveyor]

Mary has no wings, and walks on no clouds.

Her body presently lies as dust in the soils of Earth; we must presume her spirit is, as all others of the election, with the Lord.

[editor-surveyor]

I’ve never been to Awana, what country is it in?