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New book on John Paul II gives details on self-mortification, kidnap plot (Cath caucus)
cna ^ | January 28, 2010

Posted on 01/28/2010 10:39:10 AM PST by NYer

Venerable John Paul II

.- A new book released by a Vatican official on Wednesday details lesser known facts about the late John Paul II, including his self-mortification practices, hand written instructions for his resignation in case of incurable illness, and a plot by Italian militants to kidnap him in the 1980's.

"Why he is a Saint: The True story of John Paul II," by Monsignor Slawomir Oder, a Church official heading the cause for John Paul II's canonization, was made available in Italian bookstores on Jan. 27. According to the Italian news agency ANSA, Fr. Oder discusses how the late pontiff used to practice self-mortification as part of his devotion.

“Members of his closest entourage, both in Poland and the Vatican, heard with their own ears how Karol Wojtyla used to whip himself,” wrote Msgr. Oder. “There used to be a particular belt, intended for trousers, hanging from a hook in his wardrobe among all his robes.”

Msgr. Oder spoke of how the late Holy Father “used this as a whip and always brought it with him when he went to (the papal summer residence) Castel Gandolfo.” Oder also cites the testimony of Sister Tobiana Sobodka who was in the neighboring room at the summer residence, and witnessed to the Vatican assembly considering John Paul II's cause for canonization. “We would hear the sound of the blows,” she testified.

In his new book, Msgr. Oder also outlines the other self-mortification practices the late Pontiff would undergo such as fasting during Lent – eating only one meal a day, abstention from food before ordinations and sleeping on a hard, cold floor as opposed to a bed. The Polish monsignor wrote that John Paul II began to sleep on the floor as far back as the 1960's and would often rumple the covers of his bed to make it look like he has slept in it.
The book also details hand written documents from John Paul II conveying his determination to continue with his papal duties as long as his health allowed. One document from 1989 states that he would only cease in his ministry “in the case of a lengthy illness, thought to be incurable that prevents me from carrying out my duties sufficiently.” In a 1994 letter, the late Pope also stated “I feel it is a serious conscientious obligation to continue carrying out the task given to me (by God).”

Msgr. Oder also discusses how John Paul II learned shortly before the 1981 assassination attempt that an Italian militant group called the Red Brigades planned to kidnap him.

“Shortly before the attack, the Italian secret services warned that the Red Brigade terrorists has a plan to kidnap John Paul,” Msgr. Oder wrote, explaining that that was why the late pontiff remarked “just like Bachelet” to his secretary on his way to the hospital after being shot. Catholic Judge Vittorio Bachelet was previously assassinated by the Red Brigades.

While presenting his book on Wednesday, Msgr. Oder stated that there has not been an official date set for John Paul II's beatification. Though the process is “well under way” the Congregation of Saints has yet to recognize a miracle attributed to the late Pontiff.

Pope Benedict XVI announced last month that he was declaring John Paul II Venerable and had previously waived a rule requiring that a canonization process cannot being until five years after a prospective saint's death.

TOPICS: Catholic; History; Other non-Christian; Prayer
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1 posted on 01/28/2010 10:39:11 AM PST by NYer
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This is a Catholic Caucus thread

2 posted on 01/28/2010 10:40:03 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

great. Dan Brown will be out with another blockbuster by summer.

3 posted on 01/28/2010 10:57:06 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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Bummer that some saints are so weird. It really makes it hard for the rest of us to see ourselves as people who might become holy. And it’s definitely embarrassing to have this sort of stuff brought up in front of non-believers.

I keep in mind that for every saint that whips themselves there are a couple others who just spread the Good News or lived in humble service, or died as martyrs.

4 posted on 01/28/2010 12:37:09 PM PST by married21
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Bummer that some saints are so weird.

My boss in a former job, was a 'bishop' in the Mormon Church. He used to flagellate himelf and sit in a car during the hottest time of the day, with the windows closed. It's not just a 'Catholc' practice.

5 posted on 01/28/2010 12:46:41 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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People look at camping in harsh wilderness, and sky-diving for secular pursuits to be a non-issue for many men.

Compared to sky-diving, self flagellation is tame. And the real point of doing the one is for very Pius reasons.

But in America people have grown soft, and have lost the point that there is meaning in suffering.

6 posted on 01/28/2010 12:52:42 PM PST by Bayard
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Now I’m thinking, if some people are desperate to hurt themselves for their faith, why don’t they do something productive?

They could carry around teething babies. They could clean up their incontinent elderly relatives. They could pull the poison ivy out of somebody’s backyard.

Wonder if the devil gets holy people sidetracked by getting them to do useless gestures like flagellating? Maybe he knows that if he didn’t suggest these activities, they’d be out there doing something challenging that actually helps somebody.

JPII is holy despite the self-mortification, not because of it.

7 posted on 01/28/2010 1:03:20 PM PST by married21
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To: married21

Are you Catholic?

8 posted on 01/28/2010 1:04:08 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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9 posted on 01/28/2010 1:09:08 PM PST by married21
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But in America people have grown soft, and have lost the point that there is meaning in suffering.

That is no longer limited to America. You do have zealots who go to the opposite extreme like having themselves nailed to crosses on Good Friday. Perhaps we need to simply accept how JPII chose to express his devotion to our Lord without criticism or critique.

10 posted on 01/28/2010 1:43:59 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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Ah, come to the Philippines, where people know about suffering...this year, the Black Nazarene (the devotion to the suffering Christ) procession had hundreds of thousands attending (one estimate was 2 million, but who knows, since folks come and go).

The increase in numbers was by folks who suffered in the typhoons and floods.

11 posted on 01/28/2010 10:19:17 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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