Posted on 12/27/2009 1:40:54 PM PST by NYer
Marty Rothwell became a Christian in 1973. As he began reading the early church fathers for a course he was teaching, it didn't take him long to realize the discrepancies between what the early church believed and what his Protestant denomination taught. He then began studying the differences between the Orthodox and Catholic positions and, in spite of his strong anti-Catholic bias was surprised to find that Catholicism had very well reasoned arguments for the positions it held. In addition it was the first time he had encountered a church that was intellectually vigorous and very pious spiritually. It also, as Marty says, could make a refreshing claim no Protestant church could, that it was there from the beginning. Marty and his family were received into the Catholic Church in Dec 1999. Marty Rothwell is now a member of St. Andrew the Apostle Catholic Church in Clifton, Virginia.
History ping!
So, Protestant is the new Catholic.
Why not? Fits with everything else that's going on these days. Fat is the new skinny. Crooked is the new honest. Etc.
Since when do Evangelicals believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist? (Having been both Evangelical and now Catholic).
“This is My Body. This is My Blood”. The Apostolic Priesthood today continues the ‘original Church’ in recognizing Him in the Breaking of the Bread. Nothing else meets this test.
Blessed Christmas to all.
Where in scripture is the role of priest one to be found in the new church?
NT Scripture didn’t exist but the Church did.
Christ Himself instituted the priesthood, as the Council of Trent explains, at the Last Supper when Christ elevated the bread saying "This is my Body" and the cup saying "This is the Blood of the new covenant" ... Do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant of my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’ For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes" (1 Cor. 11:23-26).
“Dr. Horton claims that Protestantism has been the true faith since the Church’s inception.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I needed that. :)
You wrote:
“Where in scripture is the role of priest one to be found in the new church?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2025128/posts
How ironic that the statement "Historical Christian doctrines "held without controversy" prior to the schism of the 11th century." contains almost completely the dogmas created after the Roman Catholic Church declared itself the "only true faith" in the fourth century.
The Holy Scriptures accepted by the early Christians as revealed truth severely contradict the doctrines held by the traditions of men. Particularily the most important of all doctrines - the Gospel of salvation by grace through faith. To err on this most integral part and to preach any other gospel than that which was preached is accursed by God himself. To rely in any way upon the merits and good works of man is to negate the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for us on the cross. Labels mean NOTHING. The true church of Jesus Christ is the body of believers in him.
First of all, the terms “Evangelical” and “Protestant” mean different things to different people. There is also a difference between Evangelical and Evangelicalism. For instance, Lutherans were the first to identify themselves as Evangelicals, but they totally repudiate Evangelicalism. Lutherans do not consider themselves to be Protestants as Protestantism is understood today. When I was a Navy chaplain, the Eastern Orthodox were placed in the Protestant category along with Mormons and Southern Baptists. If you were not Roman Catholic or Jewish, you were Protestant. We are are the point where the terms have become so broad and ambiguous that they are not only useless, but misleading. Seriously, who even knows what an Evangelical or a Protestant is today? What is more helpful for me is to discuss doctrine rather than denomination.
2Peter 3"14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Peter considered the letters from Paul scripture..in those letters,inspired by the Holy Spirit there is no priesthood role.
It is always interesting to me when Catholic tells me the church preceded scripture because that is where the Roman church claims its authority,sacraments etc..
A very good read. Thank you.
Of course he did; everyone did by the 2nd century—when 2 Peter was written. :)
Remember that event preceded the church . Jesus was taking on the role of the father in the passover meal...
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ": Ephesians 4:12
The role of "priest" was a type of Christ .he offered the bloody sacrifices that pointed to Christ.
Jesus fulfilled that type and there was no longer a need for sacrifices, He is the only Priest man needs.
the Ot role of priest was from the line of Levi, no one outside that line could be a priest..as if to put a final nail in the need for priests in 70 AD the genealogies of the tribe of Levi's was destroyed..
One can do word play all they want, but the role of the priest was to sacrifice animals for the sin of the nation of Israel..
The sacrifices were a type of Christ and as a priest, prophet and King..jesus offered the final sacrifice for sin..Himself..the lamb of God
So how old was Peter??
You wrote:
“You can have all the debate you like, the fact is there is NEVER a role for a priest in the NT.”
Actually there was and is - and early Christians knew it.
“One can do word play all they want, but the role of the priest was to sacrifice animals for the sin of the nation of Israel..”
Jewish priests. That was BEFORE Christ. With Christ, the High Priest, He is the only Victim. His priests only offer up Him.
“The sacrifices were a type of Christ and as a priest, prophet and King..jesus offered the final sacrifice for sin..Himself..the lamb of God”
And priests today offer up Christ.
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