[Iscool]

The relationship of that church to the organization with offices on Vatican hill in Rome is something to debate, but not the proposition that there is no salvation outside the universal church, the ekklesia katolika, founded by Christ.

But that's what we ARE debating...We have always agreed that we are all part of the 'universal' church...

That religion that sits on those 7 hills in Rome is NOT the head of that universal church...And THAT church in Rome that claims to follow Peter is the church whose leaders claim we must be members of THAT church to attain salvation...

And that idea is rejected by God...

[Petronski]

That religion that sits on those 7 hills in Rome is NOT the head of that universal church...

But the Catholic Church, situated in Vatican City, on Vatican hill, across from the seven hills mentioned by St. John in Revelation, IS the universal church founded by Christ himself.

"The seven heads represent seven hills on which the woman sits." First of all, no Pope has ever lived or had his "seat" (cathedra or cathedral) on any of the seven hills of Rome. These hills are small hillocks (Capitoline, Palatine, Esquiline, Aventine and three lesser "bumps" in central Rome) where the religion and government of pagan Rome was situated. The Catholic Church's headquarters at the Lateran (the cathedral) and at the Vatican (where the Pope lives) does not coincide with them. At the time that John wrote Revelation the Christians of Rome lived mostly in Trastevere (trans Tiber), a district "across the Tiber" from the City and adjacent to the Vatican hill where St. Peter was crucified and buried. The Vatican is on top of that burial site and is today its own city-state distinct from Rome and Italy.

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[Petronski]

And THAT church in Rome that claims to follow Peter is the church whose leaders claim we must be members of THAT church to attain salvation...

Thank God the Catholic Church follows Christ.