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To: netmilsmom; marshmallow
I care about the good of The Church, which JPII neglected while he blended services with Holy Masses, allowed crap on altars at Papal Masses and “ministered” to non-Catholics while our pews were emptying from disgust.

Again ... your statements lack support. Can you provide some specifics?

He still ignored the problems with the gays in the priesthood while they took over.

The gay priests took over the Church? My dear, the problem of homosexuality is as old as the cockroach. There have been gays in the priesthood for centuries. Are we to fault all of the popes for not "acting" to remove them?

Destroying parishes and lives. Not for a year, not for five years, FOR nearly 20 years. We need to be realistic about it.

Which parishes did the JPII destroy?

16 posted on 11/17/2009 3:13:17 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Good evening.

Popes have done many things. Some have become rich. Some have taken armies and invaded countries. Some have taken wives (Pope Gregory ended that practice in 1139). Some have been martyrs, for example, like being crucified up side down. Some have become saints.

There is a very strong argument that Pope John Paul II helped (Reagan, Thatcher and others) end the Soviet style communism in Eastern Europe. Freed roughly 350 million people. Pretty big thing in my book.

5.56mm

18 posted on 11/17/2009 5:56:15 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: NYer
>>Again ... your statements lack support. Can you provide some specifics? >>

From the kissing the Quran incident (I know, Jimmy Akin "explained" it, but it was rationalizing) to the dancers at the Papal Masses.


>>Are we to fault all of the popes for not "acting" to remove them? <<

Please. Any Homosexual celibate priest is not a problem. Priests who molest boys are. Priests who have homosexual affairs with teenagers are. Once this problem became known very quick action should have been taken, not covering it up and turning away from Bishops who did nothing. Don't you think so?

>>Which parishes did the JPII destroy?<<

The ones that have had to be closed or clustered because of the exodus of Catholics. Exodus from innovative liturgies or the "homosexual problem" called "the pedophile priest problem" by the MSM. While we know that the majority of the Priests were not pedophiles, they were sexually active homosexuals who didn't take their vows seriously. To ignore that does us no good.

You know I'm Uber-Catholic but I'm not going to close my eyes to the problems in the years of JPII. No Catholic should.

19 posted on 11/17/2009 6:14:50 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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