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First step taken toward beatification of John Paul II, says Vatican analyst
cna ^ | November 17, 2009

Posted on 11/17/2009 9:40:21 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 11/17/2009 9:40:22 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 11/17/2009 9:41:46 AM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

WOW I wonder what happen to late Pope John Paul road to saintood they talking about for few months last year on UK SUnday papers then NOTHING

Thanks NYer


3 posted on 11/17/2009 9:46:48 AM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: NYer

This is a huge mistake.


4 posted on 11/17/2009 10:30:57 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Why?I had a dream about him last night.


5 posted on 11/17/2009 10:34:14 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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Because there were many Catholics left to drown under his watch.
He ignored his own flock to travel the world and “minister” to others.

He disregarded the Lavender Mafia who took over our seminaries and devastated the priesthood and many young lives.

Everyone remembers the fall of communism that he deserves credit for but forgets that he was the Pope for 20 years while the Catholic Church fell apart.

While I agree that he may be sainted one day, to do it this quickly is a huge mistake. Let’s see the fruit of his papacy though history, not jump to conclusions that it was all good.

B16 is mopping up from him.


6 posted on 11/17/2009 10:42:30 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

I hear that from some people-Catholic’s.They are mad and hurt.


7 posted on 11/17/2009 11:12:01 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: netmilsmom
The canonization process can't be railroaded.

The time factor is determined by the occurrence of miracles and those are dependent on the will of Almighty God. They occur when God ordains it. There's nothing the Congregation can do to slow or accelerate that process.

Casting doubt on the canonization of one man casts doubt on the process itself. If one canonization is open to question then all are.

8 posted on 11/17/2009 1:13:06 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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>>Casting doubt on the canonization of one man casts doubt on the process itself. If one canonization is open to question then all are. <<

I know of many Catholics who have been questioning the “Fast Track” canonizations for a while.

Occurrences that they are accepting as “miracles” have been dumbed down. One, instead of three? Come on. So yes, when JPII is made a saint, I will (as will many others) doubt the process. We do now.

And honestly, as with apparitions none of us have to believe in any of them. I do not believe that with all the harm JPII did to his flock, with his inactivity and rock star mentality, that he should be sainted.

The Vatican should take this very slowly instead of doing what is popular.


9 posted on 11/17/2009 1:33:35 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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If miracles are not true miracles and the process is flawed, then who is a saint? Mother Teresa? Kolbe? Sr. Faustina? Fr. Damien? Some of the above? None of the above? Only those approved by you? If what you say is true then the process is meaningless.

The Pope will sign off on it, if and when it happens. If his Papal Decree requires your approval, doesn't that make you Pope?

As for JPII, the liberals take just the opposite view and call him an ogre who did his best to squelch the "reforms" in the Church. They hated him for Ecclesia Dei and his dogmatic pronouncement on women "priests". Some conservatives, on the other hand, think he wasn't Catholic enough.

So goes the fluctuating tide of human opinion.

10 posted on 11/17/2009 1:50:54 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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>>Only those approved by you?<<

Where did I ever say that?

>>As for JPII, the liberals take just the opposite view and call him an ogre who did his best to squelch the “reforms” in the Church. They hated him for Ecclesia Dei and his dogmatic pronouncement on women “priests”. Some conservatives, on the other hand, think he wasn’t Catholic enough. <<

So?
Everyone has friends and enemies. I don’t care at all about the opinions of people. I care about the good of The Church, which JPII neglected while he blended services with Holy Masses, allowed crap on altars at Papal Masses and “ministered” to non-Catholics while our pews were emptying from disgust.

I’m about as Catholic as you get, but I’m not blinded by the hype. He still ignored the problems with the gays in the priesthood while they took over. Destroying parishes and lives. Not for a year, not for five years, FOR nearly 20 years. We need to be realistic about it.

Where was he? He was praying. Well his job was to Shepherd as well as pray. Shepherd HIS flock. He neglected us. That is not the making of a saint.


11 posted on 11/17/2009 2:21:38 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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In my opinion JPII wasn’t really that “great”. He may have written many new encyclicals and things of that nature. But a saint?! I don’t think so. JPII was hated by liberals true enough. More should have been done.


12 posted on 11/17/2009 2:55:43 PM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: netmilsmom

There are two miracles required: one for his beatification and one for his canonization.

The Holy Spirit will stop the process dead in its tracks if the Lord doesn’t want JPII to be recognized as a saint. There are many steps along the way where He has the opportunity to do that. That thought makes me feel more confidant about the process.


13 posted on 11/17/2009 2:56:38 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (New Wizard of Oz: Pelosi as the Wicked Witch of the West & Michelle as the Wicked Witch of the East.)
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There used to be three.

It has become a popularity contest.


14 posted on 11/17/2009 3:05:05 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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Because there were many Catholics left to drown under his watch. He ignored his own flock to travel the world and “minister” to others.

Not sure what you mean by 'left to drown'. Can you be more specific? As for traveling the world, that is the role of a bishop - to visit his flock. For Catholics all over the world, those visits were the only opportunity they would ever have to see Peter's successor.

While I agree that he may be sainted one day, to do it this quickly is a huge mistake.

He is not being sainted; he will be given the title of Venerable.

B16 is mopping up from him.

Again, please provide some specifics as to what you infer by this statement.

I am at a loss to understand your concerns and sincerely hope you will provide some additional specifics to support them.

15 posted on 11/17/2009 3:08:10 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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I care about the good of The Church, which JPII neglected while he blended services with Holy Masses, allowed crap on altars at Papal Masses and “ministered” to non-Catholics while our pews were emptying from disgust.

Again ... your statements lack support. Can you provide some specifics?

He still ignored the problems with the gays in the priesthood while they took over.

The gay priests took over the Church? My dear, the problem of homosexuality is as old as the cockroach. There have been gays in the priesthood for centuries. Are we to fault all of the popes for not "acting" to remove them?

Destroying parishes and lives. Not for a year, not for five years, FOR nearly 20 years. We need to be realistic about it.

Which parishes did the JPII destroy?

16 posted on 11/17/2009 3:13:17 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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I have nothing more to say than what I said.


17 posted on 11/17/2009 5:31:26 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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Good evening.

Popes have done many things. Some have become rich. Some have taken armies and invaded countries. Some have taken wives (Pope Gregory ended that practice in 1139). Some have been martyrs, for example, like being crucified up side down. Some have become saints.

There is a very strong argument that Pope John Paul II helped (Reagan, Thatcher and others) end the Soviet style communism in Eastern Europe. Freed roughly 350 million people. Pretty big thing in my book.

5.56mm

18 posted on 11/17/2009 5:56:15 PM PST by M Kehoe
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>>Again ... your statements lack support. Can you provide some specifics? >>

From the kissing the Quran incident (I know, Jimmy Akin "explained" it, but it was rationalizing) to the dancers at the Papal Masses.


>>Are we to fault all of the popes for not "acting" to remove them? <<

Please. Any Homosexual celibate priest is not a problem. Priests who molest boys are. Priests who have homosexual affairs with teenagers are. Once this problem became known very quick action should have been taken, not covering it up and turning away from Bishops who did nothing. Don't you think so?

>>Which parishes did the JPII destroy?<<

The ones that have had to be closed or clustered because of the exodus of Catholics. Exodus from innovative liturgies or the "homosexual problem" called "the pedophile priest problem" by the MSM. While we know that the majority of the Priests were not pedophiles, they were sexually active homosexuals who didn't take their vows seriously. To ignore that does us no good.

You know I'm Uber-Catholic but I'm not going to close my eyes to the problems in the years of JPII. No Catholic should.

19 posted on 11/17/2009 6:14:50 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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>>They are mad and hurt.<<

I thank the Lord every day for B16.


20 posted on 11/17/2009 6:17:14 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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