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To: Petronski

Wow, I am simply flabbergasted.
I said nothing of the sort - diminishing God’s power is the problem with Mary-ists. They give her honor reserved unto God alone. Rape of the Holy Spirit? You are way off the deep end. Seriously.

Since you seem to think there was some request made by God to Mary - how did that conversation go? Or did He submit his request in writing, perhaps in triplicate with copies for her attorney and Rabbi to put on file. A Biblical reference would be a good start...

What would have happened had Mary said no?

No Christ?
God needs a plan B?
Some other girl?
Explain then to me how your version fits Biblically.

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I am not denying free will - but God had and has a plan. Mary was honored to be part of it, not the other way around. The constant battle to defend Mary as super-special more often than not ends up taking away from God in order to add to her.

To give Mary honor as though she has some sort of lasting influence is neither Biblical nor does it respect God as truly almighty, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal. Respect her for the service she gave to humanity, respect her for her faith through His earthly life and suffering. But that is where it should end.


52 posted on 11/03/2009 11:27:54 AM PST by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: BlueNgold
I said nothing of the sort...

Did Mary have free will at that time or not?

Rape of the Holy Spirit? You are way off the deep end.

Not at all. The Holy Spirit either proceeded with her consent or without it.

I say it was consensual, you are saying it was nonconsensual.

I am not denying free will...

Good.

...- but God had and has a plan.

And she consented to His plan for her: "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word."

64 posted on 11/03/2009 11:47:20 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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