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Bishops Announce Unprecedented Massive Catholic Opposition to Obamacare
Creative Minority Report ^ | 10-29-09 | Matt Archbold

Posted on 10/29/2009 1:00:21 PM PDT by marcbold

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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Nonsense. Gibberish.


22 posted on 10/29/2009 2:32:15 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: SJSAMPLE
It's not simply abortion,, it's the conscience clause too.
23 posted on 10/29/2009 2:43:51 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And to think that I have been posting these links all along!

Bishops Announce Unprecedented Massive Catholic Opposition to Obamacare

Archbishop Charles Chaput on the Current Struggle Between Catholics and "Caesar"
The Bishop's Ax Falls on Obama. And on the Vatican Curia (bombshell article)
US Bishops: Heath Package Still Funding Abortions (Urge Congress to Keep Working)
Catholic Bishops Declare They Will ‘Vigorously’ Oppose Health Care Bill as It Now Stands
Bishops Restate Vow vs. Obamacare's Abortion

Important: US Bishops taking the gloves off on health care reform
BREAKING: Catholic Bishops On Health Care - Change Bills Or Else
U.S. bishops warn of vigorous opposition if Congress fails to fix health care bills
List: *41* Bishops against Obamacare (and counting!)
Bishop Murphy Issues Video Statement on Health Care Reform [Diocese of Rockville Centre]

Health Care Principles [Bishop Samuel Aquila, Fargo, ND]
Florida Bishop [Thomas Wenski] Weighs in on Health Care Reform
ObamaCare and Catholic social teaching [Bishop Neckless]
Some Catholic bishops question gov't health care
Boston’s Roman Catholic Cardinal Says He Confronted Obama about Abortion in Health Care Plan....

Iowa Bishop: Don’t Be Railroaded into the Current...Health Care Proposals
in a message issued by the Diocese of Sioux City (The Church on Universal Healthcare)
Nazi Health Care A Catholic Bishop Speaks Out Against "End of Life Care" (Germany, 1941)
Bishop Nickless: "No Health Care Reform is Better than the Wrong Health Care Reform"
Cardinal Rigali, Abp. Chaput Intensify Warnings Against Obamacare's Abortion Expansion

24 posted on 10/29/2009 3:02:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Thanks to netilsmom for the ping!


25 posted on 10/29/2009 3:06:33 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: wmfights
From what I've read, the bishops will not be placated with any half-measures regarding abortion. They want any health reform legislation to explicitly state that the government will not directly or indirectly pay for abortions. This will not happen — NARAL et all are much too strong — so they bishops will oppose Obamacare.

As a libertarian Catholic, I am exasperated by about 95% of what the USCCB does. However, I think the bishops — for motives that may range from noble to pragmatic to suspect, but who cares about their motives, anyway? — are going to stand firm on this one.

26 posted on 10/29/2009 3:17:50 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Tenacious 1

The American Bishops sold out long ago, but since our new Pope there has been a resurgence of conservative viewpoints. I cannot even defend my own Bishop, but I will defend the faith. Don’t label all of us.


28 posted on 10/29/2009 3:20:26 PM PDT by tioga
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To: livius
I think you were just Swarzeneggered.

Wot
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Riot

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WAR.

;)

30 posted on 10/29/2009 3:27:40 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: livius
Are you a former Catholic? If not, why do you love/hate the Church so much? Normally this is the province only of former Catholics - or non-Catholics thinking about converting.

What makes you think I love/hate the [Catholic] Church so much?

31 posted on 10/29/2009 4:01:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Alex Murphy

You wouldn’t hate the Church so much if you didn’t love her.

People who don’t care - well, they simply don’t care. You care.


32 posted on 10/29/2009 4:16:04 PM PDT by livius
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To: SJSAMPLE
Just my opinion, but as a long-time observer I'd hazard a guess that Pelosi and Obama will NOT cave on abortion; because if they do, the Left will abandon the current legislation.

I reckon that if the pro-life church people unite on this, we could sink the HealthScam for another decade, if not another generation (in politics nothing is forever.)

If 1/10 of the Catholics (joined by 1/10 of the non-Catholic pro-life people) act on this, it will

BLAST AWAY THIS BLASTED BOGUS HEALTH REFORM BILL.
Why?

Because if a Life/Conscience amendment is demanded by, oh, say, 6 - 10 million voters, and the ghastly Madame Pelosi blocks it from going to a floor vote, people will raise holy hell and the center-prolife-BlueDog section of Dems in the House will revolt and kill the bill.

If a Life/Conscience amendment is, in fact, brought up, it will pass and the Left will kill the bill.

33 posted on 10/29/2009 4:22:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's not like a box of chocolates.. more like a jar of jalapenos, It could burn your butt tomorrow.)
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To: livius
You wouldn’t hate the Church so much if you didn’t love her. People who don’t care - well, they simply don’t care. You care.

And again with this "I hate the Church so much" stuff.

Show me - cite the posts, provide the links - where I hate the Church.

34 posted on 10/29/2009 4:22:31 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: utahagen
They want any health reform legislation to explicitly state that the government will not directly or indirectly pay for abortions.

I'm sorry, I think you missed my point. If the only objection they have is abortion what stops the Rats from pulling it and counting on the courts to reinsert it later after it's passed. They are taking the same approach to illegal immigrants. They pulled those provisions, but they know court precedent will require them to be covered.

As a libertarian Catholic...

Where's the liberty in the govt taking over health care and the individual losing the responsibility for their own life?

35 posted on 10/29/2009 4:29:04 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Salvation
You are doing a fantastic job.

I just called my pastor. He'd already heard from Bishop Stika in Knoxville.

Y'know, in some parishes this isn't going to make a bit of difference, but in some, people will take 'holt and run with it.

We may activate just the percent of active ingredients we need, and tip this dang boulder over the edge. By a milligram. By a whisker.

36 posted on 10/29/2009 4:34:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's not like a box of chocolates.. more like a jar of jalapenos, It could burn your butt tomorrow.)
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To: wmfights
I don't believe the rats will explicitly exempt abortion from coverage, which is what the bishops are demanding. Yes, the bishops will go along with anything when it comes to immigration, but I think they will oppose Obamacare.
37 posted on 10/29/2009 4:56:09 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: marcbold

I’ll be shocked if we actually have this mentioned at our parish.

Also, my bet, if it is mentioned, is that it will be framed in terms of retaining Catholic hospitals’ independence and as a part of vaguely supporting life as a seamless garment, from conception through natural death.

They’ll ask us to consider thoughtfully taking some action, and keeping this issue in our prayers.

I think my parish shies away from politics, as there are a wide spectrum of political opinions among the members, and also the pastor doesn’t want to endanger the tax exempt status of the parish (even though that is not affected by a legislative effort, as opposed to endorsing candidates.)

I’ll be interested to see how this plays out in real parishes.


38 posted on 10/29/2009 5:59:52 PM PDT by married21
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To: Houghton M.

Don’t neglect Confusion & Delay.


39 posted on 10/29/2009 7:13:28 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Abortion is a side issue for them.
Once they get the overall plan signed into law, they can add amendments to it all they want. This may be a deal breaker for some Catholics, but the left doesn’t give up and plays the game very well.


40 posted on 10/30/2009 5:21:01 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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