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To: Mr Rogers
John 14:26 is a great example:

New King James: Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Note that the NKJ says the holy spirit is a "whom".

From your link:

"Whom (o).Grammatical neuter, but "whom" is correct translation."

Why, if they they says it's grammatically correct to say "which" do they translate it "whom"?

Translator bias, plain and simple.

But that matters little because when the holy spirit is present in believers it IS Jesus, or God. So it makes little difference whether you refer to it as "he" or "it".

For example....if I live in on one side of a wall and you live on another and I poke my hand through the wall and knock over your lamp, you would rightly say that it was me knocking over the lamp. However it's just as correct to say that it was my power and my strength that knocked over the lamp. Either way my arm poking through isn't a different person. It was me.

In the same way God "pokes" through in the form of his holy spirit. We know it's him poking through. But it's not a different person up there in the Godhead as I've shown from multiple scripture examples.

112 posted on 11/02/2009 8:03:10 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

“But that matters little because when the holy spirit is present in believers it IS Jesus, or God.”

Wrong. The Holy Spirit is He, not it. Not Jesus poking thru a hole, but He the Holy Spirit is in us. You change the HE to IT, trying to slip in the heresy. He is sent, but is not Jesus, and is not the Father - and He is a person.

That is clear from multiple passages. Denying is not showing.

For example, you use Genesis, where God makes man in His image, and then say he made 2 sexes, so therefor God is two persons. Of course, anyone reading it would probably interpret it as making man with a will, capable of doing good or evil. They wouldn’t interpret it to mean two persons, unless you are now suggesting Jesus is a woman...God the Daughter!

You ignore the passage where we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and use one phrase from Peter in Acts - a summary of what was a lengthy sermon - to negate any responsibility for Matthew 28.

I consider this dishonest, but it is expected from a cult member.


114 posted on 11/02/2009 8:27:09 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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