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CF: Well, first of all, Jesus' words to the most prominent religious legalists of his day -- is that they would traverse land & sea to make them "twice the son of hell" as they were. [Yeah, I know, Mormon theology would regard even the most legalistic Pharisees as "brothers of the pre-existence"]

Otherwise, I wouldn't think that the Pharisees trying to do something about their proselyting would get Jesus' endorsement of "Hey, way to give it a college try and 'do something about spreading your religion.'"

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about, and I really don't care that much either. From your tone, you are trying to find a pretext to argue, good luck with that.

CF: Secondly...what do you mean "I don't think so"? What? You don't read your own Doctrine & Covenants?

Been there, read it, received here or in the spirit world? I'm sure I can't answer, it's not my place to judge men, but Jesus'.

No one here to my knowledge has denied the Holy Spirit, see my last sentence, not judging.

if you are going to quote Link to the source, it's not that hard, someone might think you were trying to take something out of context. You never know.

Let us know when the 60,000 missionaries who are out their performing the tasks of "calling them sinners and damning them to hell." are recalled from the "battlefield". Mormons are convinced that the only souls, living or dead, who will reach the throne of God MUST be "worthy" in the mormon manner. If THAT isn't damning to hell, I don't know what is. [GF]

DU: ...I don't think so...

Me: what do you mean "I don't think so"? What? You don't read your own Doctrine & Covenants?

You: Been there, read it, received here or in the spirit world? I'm sure I can't answer, it's not my place to judge men, but Jesus'. No one here to my knowledge has denied the Holy Spirit, see my last sentence, not judging.

Go ahead and read the entire Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith book for context, if you want. Smith regularly damned other religionists to hell and even went so far to say "...they cannot escape the damnation of hell.": "But say you, What will become of the world, or the various professors of religion who do not believe in revelation & the oracles of God as continued to His Church in all ages of the world, when He has a people on earth? I tell you, in the name of Jesus Christ, they will be damned; and when you get into the eternal world, you will find it will be so, they cannot escape the damnation of hell." (p. 272)

"Compare this principle once with Christendom at the present day, and where are they, with all their boasted religion, piety, and sacredness while at the same time they are crying out against prophets, apostles, angels, revelations, prophesying and visions, etc. Why, they are just ripening for the damnation of hell. They will be damned, for they reject the most glorious principle of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...Yes, I say, such will be damned, with all their professed godliness." (pp. 298-299)

Irony of ironies -- not long before Smith was dismissing the supposed "lack of charity" among other sects : "He then referred to the [lack of] charity of the sects, in denouncing all who disagree with them in opinion..." (p. 192)

But, of course, I guess we have to bow to Smith's elitism & those who follow in his footsteps: "I testify that no man has power to reveal it but myself--things in heaven, in earth, and hell; and all shut your mouths for the future." (p. 368)

How appropriate this thread on testifying comes full circle to Smith's testimony that ONLY he has the power to reveal things in heaven, earth & hell...and the rest of the earth just has to "shut your mouths for the future."

(Another irony...so much for the Lds chastisement of Christians about future "revelation" possibilities -- Mormons scolding Christians for dismissing possible future revelations from God...here Smith dismisses the possibility that God couldn't speak through one of us in prophesying in the Spirit...he simply scolds others to shut their mouths for the future).