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To: annalex
Besides, if Christ meant for the Apostles to bind and loose on His behalf, but NOT pass that authority on to their successors, then that constraint should be in the New Testament somewhere. But it isn’t. Instead, we read how Apostle Paul ordained Timothy and Titus, and instructed them to ordain others, and Peter endeavored his “tabernacle” to survive through generations.

But no Apostle gave authority to Paul; in fact, Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit when Ananais laid his hands on Paul; in fact, Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized.

We have no Apostolic "succession" for Paul's being given power and authority, yet you rely on that succession in justifying the passing of authority. In fact, the story of Paul (Acts 9) is very explicit that Jesus grants authority by the infilling of the Holy Spirit OUTSIDE the actions of the Apostles!

Jesus and the Holy Spirit gives each of us the power and authority; there is no apostolic succession of power and authority, for the story of Paul shows it to be from God, no need for man-to-man transfer.

65 posted on 08/07/2009 5:17:29 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I'l be brief because the thread is not really about Protestant opinions.

But no Apostle gave authority to Paul

That is doubtful; St. Paul himself writes that he had sought, and obtained, apostolic rank from Sts Peter, James and John. However, Paul was also called by Christ much the same as the other Apostles. Either way, that does not take away from the fact that Paul ordained Titus and Timothy and told them to ordain others.

68 posted on 08/07/2009 5:25:04 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

***But no Apostle gave authority to Paul; in fact, Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit when Ananais laid his hands on Paul; in fact, Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized. ***

There is a difference between baptism and consecration. Paul was baptized by Ananais. Acts 13:
Chapter 13
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1 Now there were in the church at Antioch prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Symeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who was a close friend of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
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While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
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Then, completing their fasting and prayer, they laid hands on them and sent them off.

In order to become bishops, only another bishop can consecrate them.

*** Jesus and the Holy Spirit gives each of us the power and authority; there is no apostolic succession of power and authority, for the story of Paul shows it to be from God, no need for man-to-man transfer.***

Acts says that your interpretation is wrong.


71 posted on 08/07/2009 5:39:46 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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