I don't know, why don't you ask them? Would you want them to attack me for saying something that "scriptures are very clear on?"
Apparently you accept the idea that Peter and Paul were legitimately given the Post Resurrection instruction to take the Gospel to the Gentiles then discredit Paul's ministry because he may have made most of it up since his preaching didn't come directly from the mouth of Jesus...
No I don't, and neither does the EOC. Vast majority of EO primates do not accept Petrine primacy on biblical grounds. As for Paul I am at odds, because his "commission" was of a private nature. I see Paul as saving the Church, that's all.
What Paul did was mix Judaism with Platonism to make it both palatable and comfortable to pagans, something they could relate to and accept. In doing so he made Christianity completely unacceptable to the Jews. He in fact created a new religion which Christianity was not before Paul.
The Church doesn't treat his preaching as having come from the mouth of Jesus. Catholics and Orthodox sit when the Epistles are read and stand when the Gospels are read. The Epistles are read by lay people and the Gospels only by a priest. Only the Gospels sit on the altar. The Epistles (at least in the Orthodox churches) are by the choir, on the cantor's stand.
Most people it seems try to shove the two together (Jesus and Paul) making a big mess of the whole deal but you just eliminate Paul to solve the problem...
I don't "eliminate" Paul by giving him credit for saving the Church. I him for what he has done. I don't lump Jesus and Paul together because Paul isn't Jesus, and those who say his words are those of Jesus I ask how do they know that. That's where WE Dispensationalists come in...We accept the teaching of Paul as coming from the mouth of the Risen Savior but some of us can see it doesn't mesh so well with the Gospels where Jesus came to the Jews only...
The key to to reconciling this is Jesus' rather stunning Commission in Mat 28:19, which is why it is there because, by compelling accounts it wasn't there all the time! The Gospels had to be brought into some kind of harmony with Paul.
Not only does Mark's add-on Commission say nothing even closely resembling Matthew (who by the way notoriously copies verbatim whole paragraphs from Mark!), but latter-day evidence seems to suggest very strongly that the so-called Great Commission was not there for the first 300 years of Christianity.
Curiously, the oldest copy of Matthew's Gospel containing 28:19 is a 6th century page. But all the copies of the complete Bible (4th and early 5th century Codices Sinaiticus, Vaticanus and Alexandrinus) have the Great Commission. They also happen to be post Nicene (First ecumenical) Council of AD 325 that basically set Church dogma and the beginning of the Creed.
But, somehow, the writings of an (in)famous bishops from Cesarea by the name of Eusebius, who is also considered the first Church historian, quotes from none other than Mat 28:19 no less than seventeen times saying "Go, therefore, and teach all tribes in my name."
There is no Triniatrian formula. All 17 of these quotes were miraculously before the Nicene Council. However, the same bishop quotes Mat 28:19 no less than five times after the Nicene Council and miraculously (again!) this time all five references have the Great Trinitarian Commission as we know it!
And what does the book of Acts tell us how did the Apostles baptize? Surprise, they baptized accoridng to the "old" formula quoted by Eusebius—in the name of Jesus and not in the name of the Trinity!
Also, all our translations say "nations" when the term "ethne" really means tribes. And in the context of his ministry, Jesus would have meant the tribes of Israel, not all nations of the world because he didn't come for them by his own account.
But, suddenly faced with a new version of Mat 28:15, the Church now had scriptural evidence that Jesus "at first" came down only for the Jews, but his legacy, after the Resurrection, was somehow intended for the whole world. And who was going tom challenge that?! Finally Paul and the Gospels were on the same sheet of music.
I him=I credit him
“Paul isn’t Jesus, and those who say his words are those of Jesus I ask how do they know that.”
” I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1