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But is she a wise Latina theologian? Now, what does JLo have to say about the theology of that Co-Redemptrix thing? |
Catholic ping!
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8.
I am a Baptist, I am really inspired by Our Lady of Guadolupe or however spell it
I’m a Baptist, and you Catholics can believe what you want.
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But is she a wise Latina theologian? Now, what does JLo have to say about the theology of that Co-Redemptrix thing? |
I’d rather eat broken glass than have a conversation with her.
It’s like aiming at the barn and hitting a gnat in the next county.
Because Mary is so perfect in popular Catholic theology in Latin America -- perpetually a virgin, although a mother; blameless, even sinless -- Lozano said she becomes an impossible standard of womanhood. Nonetheless, many men look for this standard in the mother of their children.
On the other hand, Lozano noted, Mary's opposite -- the wanton harlot -- is what many men tend to look for in sex partners. Being forced to choose between the two stereotypes can be deadly for women.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of truth in this. There is discussion on it on the Catholic singles sites all the time. I wouldn't go as far as the wanton harlot, but there is only one of Mary just as there is only one of Christ - and don't forget that she is still a Jewish mother who was not afraid to go to her son, who is God, and tell him to "do something." Yes, she submitted to God's will in the ultimate example of humility and acceptance, and was sinless - that doesn't mean she was meek and quiet.
I do not appreciate those who call her such idolatrous titles as "The Queen of Heaven," "The Queen of the Angels," "The Perpetual Virgin," etc. Such modes of deification do not advance Christianity. Rather, they infuse Christianity with an obscene paganism that dilutes the true gospel, sometimes beyond recognition.
Baptists don’t put much emphasis on Mary because Scripture doesn’t.
Apart from the birth story, here is what we have:
Mat 2:11/14 And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh...And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt
Mat 2:20/21 saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Mat 12:46/48 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him...But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
Mat 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
Mar 3:31-35 And his mother and his brothers came, and standing outside they sent to him and called him. And a crowd was sitting around him, and they said to him, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, seeking you.” And he answered them, “Who are my mother and my brothers?” And looking about at those who sat around him, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! “Whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.”
Mar 6:3 “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.
Luk 2:48/51 And when his parents saw him, they were astonished. And his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been searching for you in great distress.”...And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was submissive to them. And his mother treasured up all these things in her heart.
Luk 8:19-21 Then his mother and his brothers came to him, but they could not reach him because of the crowd. And he was told, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see you.” But he answered them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.”
Luk 11.27-28 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Jon 2.1-5 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there...When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”...His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
Jhn 2:12 After this he went down to Capernaum, with his mother and his brothers and his disciples, and they stayed there for a few days.
Jhn 6:42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’ ?”
Jhn 19:25-27 but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Act 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
It is hard to take that and get anything that would put great emphasis on Mary. A good woman? Yes. Worthy of particular admiration and veneration? Well...notice the emphasis Jesus puts on her:
“As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
I don’t think Baptists ignore Mary. They just don’t deify her. I’m not sure exactly what lessons he thinks we’re missing. The article does not say, really.
The scriptures tell us: “For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”
Notice it doesn’t say “except for Mary.”
The existence of the Christ who is a wholly Divine member of the Godhead does not require a mother born of a virgin... logically or structurally. Mary’s holiness did not come from a sinless life or an immaculate conception but from the same place ours does: through a belief in the Godhead and faith in the redemptive work of the God. The source of her holiness was not of herself, but was imputed unto her via Christ.
As for the supposed double standard of womens’ purity and sexuality, where’s the rub? A chaste woman who remains pure and modest before the world is not defiled in one iota by a wanton and expressive marriage bed. How else does a man and woman become “one flesh?”
Baptists focus on the important things like
Christ and his redemption of the world.
His mother was Mary. She did a great and wonderful thing but she wasn’t perfect, didn’t remain a virgin and doesn’t have anything to do with what God and Christ do for us in the present tense.
I’ve come to believe that protestants fail to
give Mary the place of honor God did. I’ve come
to believe Roman Catholics exaggerate that same
place. I’ve come to believe the truth is closer
to the Roman position than the protestant one...
I’ve come to believe that protestants fail to
give Mary the place of honor God did. I’ve come
to believe Roman Catholics exaggerate that same
place. I’ve come to believe the truth is closer
to the Roman position than the protestant one...
Are we done talking about how Baptists (or Protestants) don’t treat Mary right? Do you still agree with the original post by the professor or have you seen enough to realize that Mary is honored the way she should be?