Posted on 07/07/2009 8:34:51 PM PDT by TaraP
IsraelNN.com) The Chief Rabbinate has been given a list of more than 60 recent converts to Judaism who continue to believe in Jesus – and are active missionaries.
Rabbi Shalom Dov Lifshitz, chairman and founder of the anti-missionary and anti-assimilation Yad L’Achim organization, met in recent days with Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar and provided him with the list. Rabbi Amar was reportedly “shocked” at seeing that the Chief Rabbinate had authorized the conversions.
Yad L’Achim had prepared the list of names, ID numbers and addresses of more than 60 people who were active in missionary groups before, during and after their long conversion process to Judaism. The "converts" were then accepted as members of religious communities, and their children were accepted into religious schools.
The meeting between the two rabbis was held in advance of the anticipated Aliyah [immigration to Israel] of many Bnei Menashe members to Israel, amongst whom it is suspected are a significant number of missionaries. The questions to be asked of them will enable weeding them out while resulting in the legitimization of the conversion of the remaining members.
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Gee, I wonder what the judaizers here think about this.
) The Chief Rabbinate has been given a list of more than 60 recent converts to Judaism who continue to believe in Jesus – and are active missionaries.
Behold the fruit of dispensationalism.
"Continue to believe in Jesus"? Really? Somehow I doubt they read much of Paul.
In their case, I'd start with Galatians.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
The day is young. They’ll be along shortly, I’m sure, gargling their gutterals, eliding vowels and ignoring Galatians 3:29 (among others).
Since I reject the notion that Galatians is in the Bible at all, I fail to see how you can accuse me of "ignoring" it. If I'm "ignoring" Galatians, then you're "ignoring" Nephi.
It's nice to know that in a world where "anti-Semitism" is allegedly so powerful charge that the entire world is quivering in fear of being accused of it, that "Judaizers" and "Pharisees" are still fair game.
To be fair, most of the world actually relishes being called anti-semites! It is only in America (and sadly that may change soon) that being called an anti-semite is derogatory.
Personally (as a Christian) calling someone a Pharisee is more about strict legalism that (as a Christian) we are called away from.
The funny thing is that evangelicals often mutter “Pharisee” under their breath when talking about those who would give us a rigid list like: “Christians cannot drink, Christians shouldn’t dance, Christians shouldn’t listen to Rock and Roll music, etc...” more than I’ve ever heard that refer to someone with a Jewish background.
So what do you think about this, seeing as how you brought it up?
I think Jews are still Jews when they believe Jesus to be the Messiah....The story is a Jewish one..Not Hindu....
Not at all the same thing as the "completed Jew" notion. Still OK with that?
Yes, they would be considered Messianic Jews.....
Following the teachings of the first church in Jerusalem...
They were Jews I think called Followers of the *Way*
Modern Rabbinic Jews are all Pharisees. Heck, we're proud of it.
Yes, they would be considered Messianic Jews.....
No, they would not. If that is their motivation, they have been profoundly poorly taught.
Paul's letter to the Galatian church would be helpful to review.
Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Well then what was Jesus’s Mother? what about Mary of Magdela? What about the Jews in Corinth?
What about the Jews who did not accept Pauls’ or Constatines teachings?
The Jews who knew and accepted Jesus in Israel as the Chosen, the Messiah still adhered to Jewish Laws and Customs.
If you are referring to the original Ebionite community, then I wouldn’t call them Christians. They accepted Jesus as a prophet, but rejected his divinity, rejected pagan innovations such as the virgin birth or the trinity, and believed that God required obedience to the law — not merely vicarious fulfillment of the law through some dead Jew who got hung on a tree.
I don’t believe that is correct...I also don’t think the Majority of Jews thought any other Jews should be hung on a tree....
The Essenes the Jews of Galiee, the Jews in Jordan..I think were called Follwers of the *Way*
The Jews in Corinth told Paul/Saul that some were saying they were being called Christians....
God required obedience to the law...
*However no one did*
Modern Rabbinic Jews are all Pharisees. Heck, we're proud of it.
I agree with both propositions. The point is the people who usually throw those terms around (including here on FR) intend them as insults.
Read Galatians.
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