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On the Errors of the Trinity
God Glorified ^ | 1531 | Michael Servetus, edited by Randall D. Hughes

Posted on 06/19/2009 12:39:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: greyfoxx39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iK0Miq2xNo&feature=related

Holy, Holy, Holy

Reginald Heber 1783-1826 John B. Dykes, 1823-1876

Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God, Almighty!
Early in the morning our song shall rise to Thee;
Holy, Holy, Holy! Merciful and mighty!
God in Three Persons, blessed Trinity!

Holy, Holy, Holy! All the saints adore Thee,
Casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea;
Cherubim and seraphim falling down before Thee,
Which wert and art and ever more shalt be.

Holy, Holy, Holy! Tho the darkness hide Thee,
Tho the eye of sinful man Thy glory may not see;
Only Thou art holy, there is none beside Thee;
Perfect in pow’r, in love and purity.

Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord, God Almighty!
All Thy works shall praise Thy name in earth and skiy and sea;
Holy, Holy, Holy! Merciful and mighty!
God in Three Persons, blessed Trinity!

Isaiah 6: 1-8
Revelation 4: 6-11

Reginald Heber was born in the area of Cheshire, England, of scholarly and well-to-do parents. At the age of seventeen, he entered Oxford University, where his scholarship and literary abilities received much attention. He was ordained to the ministry in the Anglican Church and throughout his ministry was noted as a prolific writer, making frequent contributions to magazines with his poetry, essays, and hymns.

In 1823, just three years before his death at the age of forty-three, Heber was sent to India to serve as the Bishop of Calcutta. The pressures of his work along with the humid climate of the area wore heavily upon his health. One morning after preaching to a large outdoor crowd, he suffered an apparent heat stroke and died very suddenly.

“Holy, Holy, Holy” was written specifically for use on Trinity Sunday, which occurs eight weeks after Easter. The emphasis of the hymn is to reaffirm the doctrine of the Triune Godhead. Though the word “trinity” is not found in the Scripture, the truth of three Persons, equal and eternal with each other, is clearly taught throughout God’s Word.

The tune for this text was written by Dr. John Bacchus Dykes. John Dykes was one of England’s leading church musicians of the nineteenth century. He wrote more than three hundred hymn tunes. Many of them are still in use today.


21 posted on 06/19/2009 2:39:19 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I love this song. My Spirit jumps with joy at the same time it weeps.


22 posted on 06/19/2009 2:58:24 PM PDT by svcw
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To: svcw

We sang this when I was little...

I’ve always loved it...

There is really no human words to explain the Trinity fully...

You either know in the Spirit that the Trinity is real...

or you dont

:)


23 posted on 06/19/2009 3:02:39 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I always feel the majesty of God when I hear this hymn, especially when it is done by a good choir.


24 posted on 06/19/2009 3:10:46 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Is there a law that circumvents the use of the “launch codes” in the event of a CIC (coward in chi)
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To: greyfoxx39

Mahalia Jackson do ???

Looking for a choir...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz87I6xoHX8&feature=related


25 posted on 06/19/2009 3:25:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: TheDon

Don,
You refer to an article on Wikipedia to imply
that the Trinity came out of Hellenistic thought.

I took a look at your link. Do you realize it
was largely written/edited by an architect and
fiction writer?

Here’s your guy...

http://www.literaturfestival.com/bios1_3_6_405.html

enough said.

ampu


26 posted on 06/19/2009 3:32:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: greyfoxx39

This is the only choir I’ve found so far...

Enjoy...

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-bIPnFDscM


27 posted on 06/19/2009 3:41:58 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

That’s nice too.


28 posted on 06/19/2009 3:54:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Is there a law that circumvents the use of the “launch codes” in the event of a CIC (coward in chi)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
the Trinity came out of Hellenistic thought.

The Greek notions about God and "The One", not Obama, and modern christians' views about the Trinity are rather similiar. It does not prove that the Trinity came from the Greeks, but the possibility is certainly something worth looking into.

29 posted on 06/19/2009 4:01:58 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon

“The Greek notions about God and “The One”, not Obama, and modern christians’ views about the Trinity are rather similiar.

We agree on that!

Best,
Dave

PS - hope you have a great weekend.


30 posted on 06/19/2009 4:06:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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31 posted on 06/19/2009 4:26:31 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Alex Murphy

The fact that John Calvin supported the Genevan City Council in their execution of Servetus (all according to 1000+ year old established laws in force all over Europe at the time) has nothing to do with the truth or falsehood of Servetus’ beliefs.

Of course modern Christians can logically believe that:

A) Servetus was definitely heretical (and was convicted twice by Roman Catholic courts for this—before being tried in Geneva).

B) The execution of heretics is not a good thing—and Geneva (and yes, Calvin) made a mistake. (Something many Protestants thought so at the time—even though both Reformed and Lutheran leaders all supported the execution before it happened—as Genevan leaders formally asked them).

I’ve read Servetus’ biography, in an excellent little book called “Hunted Heretic” by renowned scholar of the 16th Century, Roland Bainton. Servetus wrote his “Errors...” book early in life (as he was certainly a brilliant, if not a genius) before becoming a physician. He spent many years in hiding working as a doctor. One of his contributions consisted of discovering the link between the lungs and the circulation system—revolutionary for the time.

One personal characteristic that Bainton pretty fairly proves is that Servetus’ brilliance also manifested itself in long-term arrogance....to the point of hubris. He was known for example, in medical school, to correct and lecture his professors.

Had Servetus not tried to publicly argue, first with the the Roman Catholic Church, then publicly with John Calvin (with whom he had corresponded with in argument for years) he probably could have died in bed. So certain was he that he alone understood the errors of the Trinity—and that his genius alone could convince the most brilliant leaders of his age of his crystal clear arguments—this made him, as an individual, sign his own death warrant—as he was well aware of the (universal) religious intolerance of that age.

Again, the reality of Servetus’ heresy bears no relation to the wrongness of his execution... Nor does it make John Calvin into some horrible witch hunter. He was a man of his age—which compared to our own, had no religious tolerance, Roman Catholic, Protestant or Radical...


32 posted on 06/19/2009 6:20:38 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns; Alex Murphy

Foxe says...

It has long been the delight of both infidels and some professed Christians, when they wish to bring odium upon the opinions of Calvin, to refer to his agency in the death of Michael servetus. This action has been used on all occasions by those who have been unable to overthrow his opinions, as a conclusive argument against his whole system. “Calvin burnt Servetus! - Calvin burnt Servetus!” is good proof with a certain class of reasoners, that the Trinity is not true - that divine sovereignty is Antiscriptural, - and Christianity is a cheat. (John foxe, Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, P 202 )


33 posted on 06/20/2009 4:57:52 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Alex Murphy
That Jesus, surnamed Christ,

Surnamed ?

How ignorant !

It is a job description.

Messiah (Christ) Redeemer

Yah'shua is the NAME by which you will be saved
==> YHvH is become my salvation.
Exod. 15:2; Ps. 118:14; Isa. 12:2

The Angel of death will pass over you if you
cover your sins with the blood of the Lamb.

Yah'shua said:

Mark 12:29 Yah'shua answered, "The foremost is,
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR Elohim IS ONE YHvH
(Deuteronomy 6:4)
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
34 posted on 06/20/2009 11:29:48 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

And the Noachide believers of every denomination say “Shalom and Amen!!”

A.A.C.


35 posted on 06/20/2009 4:46:34 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Re: Trinity

And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, Luke 4:1

Does that argue for or against the "Trinity" ?

It seems to me that it argues against it.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
36 posted on 06/21/2009 8:12:35 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

This is what it is all really about...

Listen and watch and be blessed today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_n0qDAYsBQ&feature=PlayList&p=8ECD0C4ED187CD9E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28


37 posted on 06/21/2009 10:53:28 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39
Or so I've been told.

Your research cat is smarter than many people who post on FR.

38 posted on 06/21/2009 2:28:26 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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