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And It Was Night. The Real Story of Original Sin [Ecumenical]
Chiesa.com ^ | December 11, 2008 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 12/11/2008 7:26:21 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 12/11/2008 7:26:21 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
It is one of the most overlooked and rejected dogmas. But for Benedict XVI, it is "overwhelmingly obvious." He has talked about it three times in eight days. Without it, he says, Christian redemption "would lose its foundation"
2 posted on 12/11/2008 7:27:01 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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He’s right.

If there was no original sin, there would have been no need for Christ and his sacrifice on the cross for all of humanity.

“Neomodernist” theologians are destroying Christianity and ploughing the field for the planting of Islamic seeds.


3 posted on 12/11/2008 7:32:18 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: NYer

Excellent article. ;-)


4 posted on 12/11/2008 7:35:10 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: NYer; All
The importance of the doctrine of original sin.

"The history of mankind and of each human individual is unintelligible to those who do not believe in Original Sin. The doctrine of Original Sin alone explains the many riddles of our lives. It tells us why our wills are so prone to evil; why we fall so easily in temptation and rise again with such difficulty; why we must fight continually if we wish to remain good and advance in perfection; why we must avoid the occasions of sin. Original Sin alone explains why this world with all its beauty and loveliness is and will always be a "vale of tears". Any educational system that does not take into consideration Original Sin and its consequences is doomed to failure". -Chief Truths of the Faith. By Fr. John Laux, MA; Tan Books

5 posted on 12/11/2008 7:46:44 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: NYer
But Advent also means expectation. The dark night of evil is still strong. And that is why we pray in Advent with the ancient people of God: "Rorate caeli desuper." And we pray with insistence: Come Jesus; come, give force to light and goodness; come where falsehood, ignorance of God, violence and injustice dominate; come, Lord Jesus, give force to the good of the world and help us to be bearers of your light, agents of peace, witnesses of truth. Come Lord Jesus!

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Amen!

6 posted on 12/11/2008 7:47:42 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

I don’t know anyone who has ever had to teach their kids to misbehave. They just seem to come by it naturally.


7 posted on 12/11/2008 7:49:43 AM PST by tbpiper (Now irate and tireless, but mostly irate.)
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To: NYer
Splendid, as in "Veritatis Splendor." I'm going to print it out and give it a longer, more meditative reading.

Original Sin is so obvious, as Pope Benedict says: just look at the daily news, or think of your last confession.

8 posted on 12/11/2008 7:50:37 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious. " - George Orwell)
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To: SumProVita

Fight on, Good Pope! I had an argument with one of the priests when we RCIA’d in 2005. “Tell me about Original Sin,” I asked him, knowing full well what the answer should be, from my several decades of being a Protestant in a variety of churches. “Oh, hahah, what is that?” he said, or something to that effect. (LA Archdiocese, after all). We argued theology for a good hour, and he was really quite pleasant and agreeable. Later he referred to me, in one of his homilies, as ‘my Fundamentalist Friend.’

I am so glad to see this good Pope come out swinging on theology and liturgy. What a feisty one. We are so blessed.


9 posted on 12/11/2008 7:53:11 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: NYer

Yes, the doctrine of original sin is central to our faith. Among other things, it helps us more fully appreciate the Savior.

I always feel uncomfortable with that painting. What was Eve doing when the snake stole her attention?

Just goes to show that old paintings aren’t always as pure as the driven snow, and that maybe some of those painters who produced nude images were similarly not as pure as the driven snow.


10 posted on 12/11/2008 8:11:10 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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I never could understand why God made that snake and the apple tree, when He knew exactly what was going to happen.


11 posted on 12/11/2008 8:20:46 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: tbpiper

Especially when you deem what they are doing, as misbehavior.


12 posted on 12/11/2008 8:26:20 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: NYer
Adam Lay Ybounden (Boris Orde)

Adam lay ybounden, bounden in a bond;
Four thousand winter thought he not too long.
And all was for an apple, an apple that he took,
As clarkes finden written in their booke.
Ne had the apple taken been, the apple taken been,
Ne never Our Lady had been Heavene Queen.

Blessed be the time that apple taken was!
Therefore we mun singen, Deo Gratias!

14 posted on 12/11/2008 9:42:57 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: stuartcr
I never could understand why God made that snake and the apple tree, when He knew exactly what was going to happen.

This is a common misunderstanding about predestination. Note that His 'knowing' what would happen did not cause it to happen. He gave them the gift of free will and they exercised it. Had he not given them that gift then we would be no different from the animals who follow instinct not free choice. What great love He has for us!

15 posted on 12/11/2008 9:57:36 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: stuartcr

He loves us so much that He always respects our freedom to love Him and each other. Or not. If we were not free to reject, we could not be truly free to love, either. Oh, happy fault, that merited so great a Savior! (Exultet)


16 posted on 12/11/2008 10:30:52 AM PST by ducdriver (99% of liberals give the other 1% a bad name.)
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To: NYer

I cannot note that, as I believe that God’s knowing something will happen, means it will.


17 posted on 12/11/2008 11:20:59 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: ducdriver

Perhaps we are not truly free to love.


18 posted on 12/11/2008 11:23:03 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: NYer

Original sin is a false doctrine introduced into Western religions by Augustin around 500 AD who was a convert from a sinful past. Eastern Orthodox religions, while unfortunately are not evangelical, do not have this doctrine because they did not pick it up.

How many sinners are in hell today because the preacher preaches God made you a sinner and their conviction is eased? The church confuses the universality of sin with original sin. Go read Psalm 51:5 in the KJV and NAS and then go read it in NIV - it says 2 different things because the NIV is biased toward original sin.


19 posted on 12/11/2008 11:47:28 AM PST by RushingWater (You say Obama - I say Ayers)
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To: ducdriver
"O felix culpa quae talem et tantum meruit habere Redemptorem."

Or as Joyce said, "O Phoenix Culprit!"

20 posted on 12/11/2008 11:50:31 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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