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A World Without Luther
Then Face to Face ^ | October 31, 2008 | Bryan Veloso.

Posted on 10/31/2008 8:15:05 AM PDT by Gamecock

Philosophers talk about possible worlds… a way the real world could have been. So let’s imagine, for a moment, that Luther had never been born. Or perhaps that he had never converted to the Augustinian order. Or that he had never had the courage to pound the 95 theses to the Church at Wittenberg. What would have become of the Reformation?

We know that there were other elements in the Catholic Church that likely would have pressed for Reformation, so Luther wasn’t the only motivating force. But imagine with me… no Luther. How many would still be under the spell of the Catholic Church? Would you believe that one of the main reasons Paul wrote Romans was to declare the saving power of baptism? Or that Christ purchased for you the opportunity to obtain increasing justification via sacraments?

Perhaps you’ve never been a part of the Catholic Church. Growing up as a young Catholic boy, I never understood salvation apart from the Church. To my understanding, salvation involved the sacraments. Being justified meant more then proving faith via works… it meant coming back to mass every weekend. It meant being baptized in a Catholic Church. It meant partaking of the Eucharist. That an alien righteousness could be imparted to me… that was nowhere near my young mind. This was a righteousness enabled by Christ, yes… but for me to complete with my works.

Enter Luther:

In… 1519, I had begun interpreting the Psalms once again. I felt confident that I was now more experienced, since I had dealt in university courses with St. Paul’s Letters to the Romans, to the Galatians, and the Letter to the Hebrews. I had conceived a burning desire to understand what Paul meant in his Letter to the Romans, but thus far there had stood in my way, not the cold blood around my heart, but that one word which is in chapter one: “The justice of God is revealed in it.” I hated that word, “justice of God,” which, by the use and custom of all my teachers, I had been taught to understand philosophically as referring to formal or active justice, as they call it, i.e., that justice by which God is just and by which he punishes sinners and the unjust.

But I… felt that before God I was a sinner with an extremely troubled conscience. I couldn’t be sure that God was appeased by my satisfaction. I did not love, no, rather I hated the just God who punishes sinners. In silence, if I did not blaspheme, then certainly I grumbled vehemently and got angry at God. I said, “Isn’t it enough that we miserable sinners, lost for all eternity because of original sin, are oppressed by every kind of calamity through the Ten Commandments? Why does God heap sorrow upon sorrow through the Gospel and through the Gospel threaten us with his justice and his wrath?” This was how I was raging with wild and disturbed conscience. I constantly badgered St. Paul about that spot in Romans 1 and anxiously wanted to know what he meant.

I meditated night and day on those words until at last, by the mercy of God, I paid attention to their context: “The justice of God is revealed in it, as it is written: ‘The just person lives by faith.’” I began to understand that in this verse the justice of God is that by which the just person lives by a gift of God, that is by faith. I began to understand that this verse means that the justice of God is revealed through the Gospel, but it is a passive justice, i.e. that by which the merciful God justifies us by faith, as it is written: “The just person lives by faith.” All at once I felt that I had been born again and entered into paradise itself through open gates. Immediately I saw the whole of Scripture in a different light. I ran through the Scriptures from memory and found that other terms had analogous meanings, e.g., the work of God, that is, what God works in us; the power of God, by which he makes us powerful; the wisdom of God, by which he makes us wise; the strength of God, the salvation of God, the glory of God.

From 1519 until 1998 is a long time, but the message that God unleashed in Luther’s pen reached my ears through the preaching of an Australian pastor. That alien righteousness became mine through faith, and I was secure in it as I was the moment God named me in eternity past. What joy swells up inside me… tearful joy… as I write this. No words can properly express it.

So tonight, when my friends and I gather in my living room to read Romans, sing A Mighty Fortress is Our God, and reflect on the life of Martin Luther, we’ll be doing so not chiefly out of a heart of revelry or camaraderie. Rather, it will be out of gratitude to God for Luther… who pointed us all towards Christ.

Sola fide. Always.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History; Mainline Protestant
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1 posted on 10/31/2008 8:15:07 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

I am a catholic....but....Luther had it right. Unfortunately, the Catholic church at that time brought the reformation on itself.


2 posted on 10/31/2008 8:17:54 AM PDT by Dudoight
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Reformation Day Ping


3 posted on 10/31/2008 8:18:23 AM PDT by Gamecock ("...Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles" and both to Americans.)
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To: Gamecock

Nice article —

Happy Reformation Day! Sola Deo Gloria!

Hoss


4 posted on 10/31/2008 8:20:29 AM PDT by HossB86
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To: Dudoight

Luther had some things right. The selling of indulgences was nuts.
Salvation by Faith alone? If you’re “Catholic”, how say you?


5 posted on 10/31/2008 8:22:13 AM PDT by steve8714 (Why do we pray for peace at Mass, never for freedom?)
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To: steve8714

What did Paul say?


6 posted on 10/31/2008 8:28:27 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Gamecock
Glory be to the Father,
And to the Son,
And to the Holy Ghost;
As it was in the beginning,
Is now,
And ever shall be,
World without end.

Amen. Amen.


7 posted on 10/31/2008 8:28:53 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Gamecock
Nice article.

About 5 years ago we started celebrating "Reformation Day." Today my kids still get excited about it and rush to remind me that it's Reformation Day and they look forward to watching the movie Luther

8 posted on 10/31/2008 8:29:18 AM PDT by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: Gamecock

If there had been no Luther, there probably would be no Obama.


9 posted on 10/31/2008 8:55:37 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Gamecock
If I was a Lutheran, I would not know what to do. Which Lutheran church should I belong to? There are at least a dozen (in America alone) and they have different teachings about Scripture and the life God demands of us. Maybe they all agree on the justification thing .. but there's way more to Christianity than that.

The Missouri Synod says homosexuality is gravely sinful ... are they right? Or is it okay to be gay and join the ECLA?

Division and confusion. Thanks Luther. You're the best.

Apostolic Lutheran Church of America
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Lutheran Confession
Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference
Evangelical Community Church-Lutheran
Evangelical Lutheran Diocese of North America
Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ
Lutheran Evangelical Protestant Church
Lutheran Ministerium and Synod
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

10 posted on 10/31/2008 10:02:20 AM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: Gamecock

I’d wish Luther wouldn’t have been so antisemitic.


11 posted on 10/31/2008 10:39:00 AM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
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12 posted on 10/31/2008 10:44:39 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Dudoight
Dear Friend, the Church has undergone reformation from within through the ages,Luther was a prideful man who sought to do it on his own outside of the Church.

Here is an example of what Martin Luther wrote..

“”Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly.... as long as we are here [in this world] we have to sin.... No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day.” Letter to Melanchthon, August 1,1521 Luther's Works, vol. 48

You can see why the church did not need Luther to be part of the internal reformation from within

This is one of the best and most accurate articles concerning the reformation. Please take the time to read it.
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/protesy.htm

Here is some info on Hilaire Belloc- the Author of the article
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0035.html
I wish you a Blessed day!

13 posted on 10/31/2008 10:56:22 AM PDT by stfassisi (The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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14 posted on 10/31/2008 1:23:15 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: vladimir998
If there had been no Luther, there probably would be no Obama.

Are you familiar with a book called "Revolution and Counter-revolution"?

16 posted on 10/31/2008 1:29:43 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (This Papist for Palin asks everyone to pray the Rosary for our country!)
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To: Lilllabettt
The Missouri Synod says homosexuality is gravely sinful ... are they right? Or is it okay to be gay and join the ECLA?

My suggestion would be to read the Bible and determine which church, be it Lutheran or other, best fits your beliefs. Even Luther said that, in matters of faith, you should let your conscious be your guide.

Too many people ignore the Bible and put their beliefs in the words of man, not the Word of God.

17 posted on 10/31/2008 1:33:29 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: steve8714

The selling of indulgences was nuts.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It was more than nuts. It was a sinful abomination. Those who promoted it have had to answer to God and to Jesus Christ for misleading and misusing so many innocent believers.


18 posted on 10/31/2008 1:33:52 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Dudoight
Paul said, "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything but only faith working through love."

That's the Biblical position. That's the Catholic position.

Unfortunately, it isn't Luther's position.

19 posted on 10/31/2008 1:39:29 PM PDT by Campion (Vote for Obama and Get Nuclear War for Free!)
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To: mlocher
My suggestion would be to read the Bible and determine which church, be it Lutheran or other, best fits your beliefs.

So much for objective truth.

Even Luther said that, in matters of faith, you should let your conscious be your guide.

Of course, if your "conscious" told you that the Catholics were right, you came under another one of Luther's sayings; the one where he told his followers to "Wash your hands in the Papists' blood".

20 posted on 10/31/2008 1:42:23 PM PDT by Campion (Vote for Obama and Get Nuclear War for Free!)
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