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Overcoming self will is critical to understanding obedience (communion tongue) [Catholic Caucus]
Catholic Sentinel ^ | Bishop Robert Vasa

Posted on 09/28/2008 2:53:16 PM PDT by NYer

BEND — Last week I indicated that perhaps it would be good to pursue further the question of why even the suggestion of a change in the practice of receiving Holy Communion in the hand would be the cause or source of outrage and rebellion in the Church. It is certainly possible that such a proposal would be accepted with calm and grace but in my estimation such a response would not be highly probable. Such a proposal would much more likely be met with fierce opposition and anger. It needs to be made clear that I am neither offering nor encouraging such a proposal but an examination of our response to such a speculative proposal may be fruitful.

There are some, perhaps even a majority of active communicants, who would find no difficulty in making a transition back to Holy Communion on the tongue. It would be suitable and necessary to offer to the faithful a rationale for the change and, whether that rationale is convincing or not, many active communicants would accept it. Others, however, if this rationale was not completely convincing to them would simply reject both the proposal and the rationale for it. I could envision protest, anger, rejection and even boycott. If my suspicion is correct then I think we need to ask a very simple question: Why?

Having received negative responses to other proposals which suggest or ask for changes, one of the most frequent reasons given goes something like this. “It is not the fact that the changes were made or proposed, but rather how it was done.” The sequel to this is the assertion that: “If only there had been a process to discern this change and if the change were explained more thoroughly no one would have objected so strenuously.” I do acknowledge and understand that being given an explanation can be helpful in allaying some very natural and human concerns. When, however, the proposed change stimulates an emotional reaction, as proposed changes to ecclesial practices have a propensity to do, I have found that no level of explanation or preparation will be deemed adequate. Sometimes there is need for consultation and this may or may not always be done with the degree of thoroughness we would like. Again my experience is that either the level of consultation will be judged inadequate or those consulting will be condemned because they did not “obey” the majority opinion. One of the greatest examples of this was when Pope Paul VI established a commission to study the issue of artificial contraception. This was consultation. Thus when Paul VI issued his prophetic encyclical, Humanae Vitae, one of the “reasons” given for Catholic rejection of it was that he failed to heed the advice of his commission. Inherent in the rejection is a failure to understand that there is a great difference between consultation and consent. Those who believe that the consensus of the faithful implies some degree of infallibility which must be heeded by the hierarchy fail to recognize that the consensus of the faithful includes all priests, bishops and the Holy Father himself. Without the Holy Father there is no true consensus.

This misunderstanding of the meaning of a consensus of the faithful gives rise to a sense of autonomy, independence and “authority” of one’s personal opinions which the Second Vatican Council never intended. Someone steeped in the belief that their opinion is somehow guaranteed by the Holy Spirit to be clear, truthful and accurate and must therefore be not only listened to and heard but acted upon by the Diocesan or Universal Church, is a bit misguided. Such individuals are sincere but misguided nonetheless. This does not mean that ecclesial authority may run roughshod over those who come forward with opinions and thoughts. Such presentations must be listened to and heard and taken into account, as Paul VI did, but after this a decision needs to be made. At this point a new challenge is presented and it has to do with obedience.

Recently the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life issued an instruction titled, “The Service of Authority and Obedience.” While the instruction is written for those in religious consecrated life the principles have universal application.

In paragraph nine of the Instruction we find: “Mediations that exteriorly communicate the will of God must be recognized in the events of life and in the specific requirements of a particular vocation, but they are expressed as well in the laws that give order to the life of groups of people and in the dispositions of those who are called to lead such groupings. In the ecclesial context, laws and dispositions, legitimately given, provide an insight into the will of God, becoming the concrete and ordered realization of the demands of the gospel from which they are formulated and perceived.” The Instruction continues: “It is evident that all this will be experienced coherently and fruitfully only if they desire to know and to do the will of God, the awareness of one’s own fragility and the acceptance of the validity of the specific mediations remain alive, even when the reasons presented are not fully grasped.”

In our increasingly autonomous world it is practically deemed to be heresy to suggest that the will of God is expressed in the laws that give order to the life of groups of people. While the context for this statement is a document for religious communities there is a applicability for parish and diocesan churches as well. The same spirit of obedience which seeks actively and humbly the will of God must reign both within and outside of religious communities. This flies completely in the face of our secular culture with its overemphasis on personal autonomy.

For many in the Church the very word obedience itself generates a visceral response. There does not seem to be any difficulty with demanding that Pope Paul VI “obey” the consensus of the birth control commission but the suggestion that Catholics need to read and heed the teachings of Humanae Vitae is practically anathema. Suggesting that the will of God is not, in any way, mediated through the legitimate teaching of religious authorities is, in fact, the rejected position. Overcoming self will and bending more and more to the will of God is very difficult for all of us in our autonomy leaning society.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: bishop; obedience; or; vasa
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1 posted on 09/28/2008 2:53:20 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
In our increasingly autonomous world it is practically deemed to be heresy to suggest that the will of God is expressed in the laws that give order to the life of groups of people.


2 posted on 09/28/2008 2:55:05 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
I joke about "Reason No. 3,742 Why I Left the Episcopal Church," but all the many, many reasons come down to one:

Obedience.

The alternative is what the Episcopalians have. I can't imagine that the most rebellious Catholic really wants that.

3 posted on 09/28/2008 3:14:56 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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To: NYer

In my parish the priest suggested a couple of weeks ago that communion on the tongue is the better way. This morning a couple of folks still held out their hand.Tho older people were all relieved and the kids followed right along. Many think of communion in the hand as at least presumptuous, prideful.


4 posted on 09/28/2008 3:16:50 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

You should have heard the griping when the Latin mass was approved! I had a woman (who is an extraordinary minister of communion, by the way) tell me that if Latin was brought back she would go to a different parish.


5 posted on 09/28/2008 3:57:54 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: NYer

This morning, our new associate said Mass. He was ordained in May and gave one of the best sermons I’ve ever heard on obedience based on the gospel today. Basically, you cannot call yourself Catholic and not do as the church teaches. And no one walked out that I saw.


6 posted on 09/28/2008 4:03:50 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
The alternative is what the Episcopalians have. I can't imagine that the most rebellious Catholic really wants that.

You would be surprised ... at least, I was. There was a period in my parish (prior to my arrival) when they had no resident priest. The Diocese of Albany was still able to send them a RC priest to celebrate the NO liturgy each Sunday. During that phase, the parish council truly ran the parish. They made so many stupid decisions based on improper record keeping. This resulted in the selling off of properties accumulated over the nearly 100 years in which the community existed. Among the properties sold was their parish hall. This was one of their sources of income!

It wasn't until they had sold off everything, including the rectory, that they finally appealed to the bishop to send them a new pastor. To do this, they had to prove that there were at least 100 families in the parish. Talk about the dead voting! They cooked the books to make it look like the parish had more members than it did. Just about 8 years ago, the bishop offered a newly ordained priest the choice of one of two parishes - one was in Florida, the other here in upstate NY. The young priest, accustomed to the colder climes of northern Lebanon, chose this parish. His car broke down on the thruway en route and one of the parishioners picked him up. When he went to open the church doors on that first day, the locksmith across the street asked him if the bishop had sent him here to close the parish. It was that bad!

Today, we are temporarily celebrating our Sunday liturgy at a nearby RC Church while our existing church is undergoing major renovations with the monies received from an insurance claim following a major ice storm that perforated the church roof, allowing mold and mildew to permeate the entire building. While this is going on, the pastor is also completing the final work on his future recotry and collecting monies to match the grant received from NYS to restore the stained glass windows at our future church.

I mention all of this because those parishioners who asked the bishop to send them a priest, are upstarts who resent the work entailed in restoring the original parish. Initially they complained that they could not hold their weddings or other events in this church because it was too small; hence Father's blessing to acquire a new church with very limited resources. The bottom line here is that once the laity are given control over a parish, they are reluctant to relinquish it. They want all the benefits without any of the work.

7 posted on 09/28/2008 4:07:30 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Lord forbid, a parish would have to buy PATENS!!!!

The pastor at my old parish was ticked that someone okayed buying a chalice to replace the glass goblets we used.

And it came with a paten!!!!! For heaven’s sake!


8 posted on 09/28/2008 4:22:44 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Hope is not a strategy, change is not a destination.)
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To: netmilsmom
I guess, then, that being in a place where the Church goods are all gold and Eucharist is only distributed by bishops, priests and deacons really is rather rare. And when Mass is something big, ONLY priests are used.
9 posted on 09/28/2008 4:31:39 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: Desdemona

**Basically, you cannot call yourself Catholic and not do as the church teaches. And no one walked out that I saw.**

Wonderful. Another question to ask ourselves is this —

If he Blessed Virgin Mary were receiving Communion in front of me, how would she receive it?


10 posted on 09/28/2008 5:54:52 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ThanhPhero

I changed and now I notice probably six to eight people at Daily Mass who receive on the tongue.

People at weekend Masses may look at me strangely, but I figure that the only one I need to please is Christ.


11 posted on 09/28/2008 5:56:58 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Desdemona

You know, because we have spoken of it, I left that hole of liberalism and now am at a parish where the NO is traditional, we have a TLM and PRIESTS to distribute communion by intinction on the tongue while we kneel.

You and I can count ourselves blessed.


12 posted on 09/28/2008 6:08:25 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Hope is not a strategy, change is not a destination.)
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To: NYer
Well, you'd think with all that financial chaos, they would have learned their lesson.

Guess not.

13 posted on 09/28/2008 6:53:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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To: ThanhPhero

“Many think of communion in the hand as at least presumptuous, prideful.”

In our diocese, any deviation from the rigid orthodoxy of the Americanist/Modernist heresy as embodied by Mahoney is painted as presumptuous and prideful.

The clerics here are liberals first.


14 posted on 09/28/2008 8:09:25 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
In our diocese, any deviation from the rigid orthodoxy of the Americanist/Modernist heresy as embodied by Mahoney is painted as presumptuous and prideful.

Mahoney - how much longer before he's 75? I know some people who say of him things that cannot be repeated here on FR. I'll get banned.

Think of it as a down payment on Purgatory.

15 posted on 09/28/2008 8:24:59 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: Desdemona

“Mahoney - how much longer before he’s 75?”

I don’t know. Our bishop is his protege.


16 posted on 09/28/2008 8:40:59 PM PDT by dsc
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To: NYer

Bishop Vasa for prez of USCCB.


17 posted on 09/28/2008 8:42:22 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Desdemona

“Think of it as a down payment on Purgatory.”

Funny...the goal line seemed so close when I was a young man.


18 posted on 09/28/2008 8:43:43 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
the goal line seemed so close when I was a young man.

The goal line seems to be moved on a regular basis.

19 posted on 09/28/2008 8:46:01 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: NYer

Has returned to recieving communion on the tongue back late this recent past summer via a daily mass done at the home of friends of my Thursday rosary prayer group. The priest who did the mass is the son of one of the group members.


20 posted on 09/28/2008 8:47:47 PM PDT by Biggirl (Good night and good bye Pumpkin,sweet gentleman cat. (June 29, 1998-September 23, 2008) =^..^=)
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