Completely untrue. All throughout the Middle Ages, there were many, many independent baptistic bodies of Bible believers who had no communion nor any history with the Catholic religion. The Catholics tried to suppress them through violence, and when that failed, have continued to try to lie about what these groups believed and practiced, but they were there nevertheless, the true adherents to the apostolic Christianity, instead of the paganised "Christianity" which arose in the 4th century when Constantine tried to unite the various belief systems of the Empire together, which eventually resulted in Catholicism.
Could you please post a source document for this statement.
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“Completely untrue. All throughout the Middle Ages, there were many, many independent baptistic bodies of Bible believers who had no communion nor any history with the Catholic religion.”
Completely untrue - as demonstrated decisively and definitively by James McGoldrick, a PROTESTANT, in his book on Baptist Successionism. The whole “Trail of Blood” idea is nonsense and completely ahistorical.
“The Catholics tried to suppress them through violence, and when that failed, have continued to try to lie about what these groups believed and practiced, but they were there nevertheless,”
Again, nonsense. What violence was used on heretics in the 9th century by Catholics in the Roman Church? Please document that. Can you?
“...the true adherents to the apostolic Christianity, instead of the paganised “Christianity” which arose in the 4th century when Constantine tried to unite the various belief systems of the Empire together, which eventually resulted in Catholicism.”
Nonsense again. 1) Constantine didn’t try to unite “various belief systems”. He knew they were separate and kept them that way. If he did otherwise then Constantinople wouldn’t have been built as it was. All evidence defies you. 2) There is no evidence whatsoever that Christianity was paganized in the 4th century or any other century. Christians were taught to resist paganism as vigorously in the 4th century as any other. 3) The Catholic faith already existed BEFORE Constantine took power and in fact was given by Christ to the Apostles. Constantine knew this and that’s why he met with the Catholic bishop when he first entered Rome as a claimant to the throne after the Battle of Milvian Bridge. Also, Constantine’s mother was already long before that, a Christian.
Read James McGoldrick, A PROTESTANT CHURCH HISTORIAN, and you’ll realize the “trail of blood” idea is nothing more than a Baptist scam foisted on people to make up for 1500 years of NO HISTORY for their sect.
Could you give examples of early Baptist writings? Could you point me to any churches which are still standing? Can you name any of the leaders of this church?
LOL
The Catholic Church began at the Pentecost, circa 33AD.
This is a myth. There were no Baptists before John Smith.
There were the Anabaptists, and the Wladeneses (Sp?) Started by Peter Waldo, but if you are a Baptist and do some research, you would not the Baptist religion associated with eitehr of these cults.
Please don't take my word or the word an any other Catholic for it. I want you to check out independent secular sources. I strongly suggest the Encyclopedia Britanicca, they are no friend of the Catholic Church. I would also suggest checking out a history writtne from the Anglican point of view about Smith.
Seriously, Foxes book of Martyrs, and Trail of blood are complete fabricatons.
What about St. Augustine going to England to suppress the Celtic Church in favor of the Roman Church starting in 597? Both were christian but seperate from each other.
TQC-””The Catholics tried to suppress them through violence, and when that failed, have continued to try to lie about what these groups believed and practiced, but they were there nevertheless, the true adherents to the apostolic Christianity, instead of the paganised “Christianity” which arose in the 4th century when Constantine tried to unite the various belief systems of the Empire together, which eventually resulted in Catholicism.””
What you just wrote is one of the biggest historical lies that protestants have been taught to believe,and many are brainwashed by this lie even today.
The Church was called Catholic and Catholicism was the practiced Faith of the persecuted Christians before Constantine
The persecuted before Costantine were the ones who believed in the TRUE PRESENCE of Christ in Eucharist ,they believed along with all the other Sacraments that make up Catholicism because they were taght by the Apostles themselves.
Here are some writings from Saint Ignatius ,a direct Disiple of the Apostle Saint John.
“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).
...and here is what He says about Eucharist
“I have no taste for the food that perishes nor for the pleasures of this life. I want the Bread of God which is the Flesh of Christ, who was the seed of David; and for drink I desire His Blood which is love that cannot be destroyed.”
Saint Igantius-”Letter to the Romans”, paragraph 7, circa 80-110 A.D.
If you call Igantius a lier than your calling the Apostle Saint John a lier
Also,Constantine did not influence Catholicism,he only made it legal.
The Early Church Fathers called Constantine an antichrist for his arian beliefs amongst other things.
Take a look...
“But nowadays, we have to do with a disguised persecutor, a smooth-tongued enemy, a Constantius who has put on Antichrist; who scourges us, not with lashes, but with caresses who instead of robbing us, which would give us spiritual life, bribes us with riches, that he may lead us to eternal death; who thrusts us not into the liberty of a prison, but into the honours of his palace, that he may enslave us: who tears not our flesh, but our hearts; who beheads not with a sword, but kills the soul with his gold; who sentences not by a herald that we are to be burnt, but covertly enkindles the fire of hell against us. He does not dispute with us, that he may conquer; but he flatters us, that so he may lord it over our souls. He confesses Christ, the better to deny him; he tries to procure a unity which shall destroy peace; he puts down some few heretics, so that he may also crush the Christians; he honours Bishops, that they may cease to be Bishops; he builds up Churches, that he may pull down the Faith.” - Saint Hilary of Poiters