Posted on 03/27/2008 10:33:22 AM PDT by Gamecock
I hope so. It could be interesting to actually have a discussion with you.
LOL.
I may be cheap but I’m not easy.
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is it the other way around? Too early to make such decisions.
But thanks for the complement . . . I think.
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However, I’m usually not that interested in revisiting in any drawn out detailed way . . . issues and topics that I’ve been part of rehashing ad nauseum.
I like to help remind the RC ediice that their construction on reality is far from the only one and is even far from the most plausible one.
And I certainly like to alert lurkers that all is not hunky dory in Glockamora . . . that the RC magicsertical is not the only source of fierce, forceful, energetic, even pointed perspectives. That the other side has even more justification for forceful fiestiness.
And, sometimes, I just enjoy carrying on . . . or else my fingers have a mind of their own.
However, I’ll try and keep somewhere in my mind or some note to lose amidst the plethera of notes . . . that should I decide on a Monday morning I’m interested in a more substantive dialogue about such things . . . I know where to find you.
Of course, there is the odd possibility that should you come up with a sufficiently interesting question with some demonstration of a shred of open mindedness . . . I might conceivably be hooked into a dialogue.
Are you paying attention or not?
Fascinating.
I suppose one could technically assert that--given that she was still a postulate or some such when she left the convent. The distinction seems rather silly in view of the essentials of the issues her biography presented.
However, thanks . . . the silly assertion caused me to read the document for the first time.
My professional judgment after thousands of hours of interviews assessing individuals' personal life experiences, stories . . . is . . . she's telling the absolute truth as she experienced it.
One may dislike the facts she presented--but they were her facts, her life, the truth she met day in and day out.
Judging her a liar, false, etc. particularly without a first hand face to face dialogue . . . is . . . typical of far too many of the RC edifice reps--hereon--and in my personal life exprience.
Blind !!!!TRADITIONAL!!!! magicsterical lock-step-group-think IS A POOOOOOOOR WAY to arrive at or affirm truth.
My contention is not about her being a nun.
My contention is that she is a complete and utter fraud.
There are several Orders. She had to belong to one of them and she doesn’t state which one.
The reason she doesn’t is because it can be verified. She’s a fraud.
Jiminy, I though Chic was satire!!
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Well, not naming the Order is a dead giveaway that she never professed anything other being a composite of many people who write this drivel.
I can say I was connected with the Pallotines and am in contact with the Franciscans. My late priest was a Benedictine.
All true.
She can’t state the Order because it can be verified.
REPEAT: If she states the Order, it can be verified and shown that she/he/they are committing a fraud.
State the Order or she/he/they are liars. This is like claiming to be an ex-nurse or doctor, or an ex-policeman or ex-military.
It’s a fraud.
See also: ApologeticsIndex.org and Religioustolerance.Org
Bottom line, I don’t usually pull posts that use the word “cult” to describe another’s beliefs because, if it was used as a pejorative, it reflects more on the one who used it than the target.
I see two assertions in this - one, is that, via a loophole, the author was in fact a nun. Reading the Canon Law of the Church:
Can. 653 ß1 A novice may freely leave the institute. The competent authority of the institute may also dismiss a novice.
ß2 On the completion of the novitiate, a novice, if judged suitable, is to be admitted to temporary profession; otherwise the novice is to be dismissed. If a doubt exists concerning suitability, the time of probation may be prolonged by the major Superior, in accordance with the institute's own law, but for a period not exceeding six months.
Vows are not made until completition of the novitiate. If you want to look at the code yourself, please check here. As I said earlier, a woman is only legally a nun upon taking of vows. "In the widest sense of the word," I'm Italian. That is where I trace my heritage. However, no nation, state, or person would actually think me a citizen of Italy. Just because words may be streched to fit a persons desires does not mean it is a proper use of said term. If, Heaven forbid, you killed a man who you caught in bed with your wife, "in the widest sense of the word" you'd be a murderer. However, legally you would most likely not be under the laws of this nation - you would be guilty of manslaughter. As such, the government could not call you a murderer, and, again, under our laws, you could bring suit against anyone who did. (Not the best example re: the complications of Moral Law - but you get the picture).
Now, your second assertion I want to touch on is that Church law must be made by man because it is complicated and there are loopholes. If you would, please reread Leviticus - I would argue that Book is a set of very complicated and convoluted laws. Now, if your original assertion is true, than Leviticus must be the work of men and not of God - a troubling conclusion for any Christian, I would think. Thus, I would think your original assertion is incorrect, and that God and men both can make complicated laws - as long as they are not self-contradicting and in accord with Natural Law (laws of God and laws of reason), then they are Just.
Do you imagine I was referring to you?
You’ve proven nothing. The person described was never a nun.
Thanks for the link. I'm just catching up and it's always nice to be able to go back and read in more detail.
That's been my experience. I'm a member of a fairly large church and about 25% of our membership are former RC's. It seems that in most cases it all began with reading Scriptures for themselves.
Perfect. You have nailed it.
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