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Archdiocese Cracks Down on St Stephen's Parish in Minneapolis (insiders look at their service)
Northland Catholic ^

Posted on 03/04/2008 1:01:49 PM PST by NYer

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St Joan of Arc Parish in Minneapolis has long had a world-wide reputation as one of the most rebellious and dissident Catholic parishes in the U.S. That is not correct. While they maybe have been dissident, what they really excelled in was their public relations and their web page. They made sure that everyone who might have been interested knew what they were doing.

St Stephen's Parish, a couple miles to the north of them in the Stephens Square neighborhood of Minneapolis, matched SJA in their tremendous social outreach ministries to the poor and needy of the city. And it far surpassed them in their refusal to observe the requirements that the Catholic Church has for all of its parishes around the world.

After having attended a couple of services at SJA, last Spring I attended one at St Stephen's. I knew one of its parishioners and suspected that there were problems far exceeding those that were known about with the "Joanies."

At the time, there was a deacon assigned as the "Parish Life Administrator" and a priest assigned for the 11:15 service as the "Sacramental Minister." His duties seemed mostly to look uncomfortable while the laity of St Stephen's fully participated in the service, often leaving him in his chair, off to the side. The deacon lived in a distant suburb. The Parish Pouncil pretty much ran the parish.

The "Sacramental Minister" and a woman walked together up to the altar, took their microphones and the "Mass" began with the female “minister” welcoming everyone and asking visitors to introduce themselves. The "Sacramental Minister" then said the introductory prayers and then stepped back and let the female “minister” lead the congregation in saying the Kyrie Eleison.

Then a middle aged man gave the second reading, the Epistle, letting us know that it would be accompanied by a poem by an environmental poet. It was Earth Day. Halfway through the reading, a woman (possibly his wife) joined the lector and assisted him in finishing the poem. Relieved, thinking to myself, well I’m glad that’s over, now we can get down to the meat of the Mass.

But the Sacramental Minister, legs crossed, looking extremely uncomfortable, remained seated next to the female “minister” and the couple proceeded to read the Gospel, taking turns. The couple remained at the microphone and then proceeded to give the homily, again in turn.

After the Gospel/Homily abomination, the Creed was omitted and there were “General Intercessions” coming from various members of the congregation. The Sacramental Minister remained seated, still ill at ease, crossing and uncrossing his legs, leaning over his knees, hands in his pocket, while the female “minister” continued to control the flow of the service.

At this time, I declared to myself that I was not in attendance at a Mass and made my plans to go elsewhere at 5:00 to a St Paul parish.

It got worse. The gifts were presented, pita bread and the de rigueur Kool Aid pitchers of wine, normally used by dissenting parishes. The Sacramental Minister remained seated. They were presented to laypeople. At this point, I started to lose track of what was going on. There was just too much wrong.

The female “minister” then said the priest’s “Blessed are you Lord” prayer while the Sacramental Minister watched.

Then at the “consecration” of the host and the wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION RECITED THE WORDS OF THE CONSECRATION ALONG WITH THE PRIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He resumed saying the Eucharistic Prayer and when he raised the platter of pita bread at the “Great Amen”, THE FEMALE "MINISTER" RAISED THE K-MART GLASS GOBLET OF WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PRECIOUS BLOOD UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

There was more, including the fact that the Extraordinary Ministers assumed the lead in the distribution of Communion and the Sacramental Minister had to search for people who wanted it from him.
I won't document the errors; you can pretty well see them for yourself.



TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; dissentingcatholics; loonyparish
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Marching out from the Church

1 posted on 03/04/2008 1:01:52 PM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
The Community of St. Stephen’s
Sunday, March 2, 2008


Above and below: At 8:45 a.m., members of the community gathered in the gym for a “leave-taking” ritual.




Above and below: At the conclusion of this ritual, most of the 9:00 a.m. community members and their supporters made their way to Park House - their new worshiping space.





Above: About 50 community members remained in the gym in “holy resistance” and participated in a Eucharistic celebration.
2 posted on 03/04/2008 1:04:06 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
The Community of St. Stephen’s
Sunday, March 2, 2008


Above and below: At 8:45 a.m., members of the community gathered in the gym for a “leave-taking” ritual.




Above and below: At the conclusion of this ritual, most of the 9:00 a.m. community members and their supporters made their way to Park House - their new worshiping space.





Above: About 50 community members remained in the gym in “holy resistance” and participated in a Eucharistic celebration.
3 posted on 03/04/2008 1:04:52 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
Goodbye, and good riddance.

I hope they don't go infect some Protestant community. I wouldn't wish these loons on my worst enemy.

May God, in His Infinite Mercy, grant them the graces of repentance and conversion.

4 posted on 03/04/2008 1:06:18 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
About 50 community members remained in the gym in “holy resistance” and participated in a Eucharistic celebration.

Objection, your honour! Their activities are neither holy, nor eucharistic.

5 posted on 03/04/2008 1:07:52 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

How cute! Children playing church. Actually children should not be allowed to play in the sanctuary, it’s not a playground.


6 posted on 03/04/2008 1:10:25 PM PST by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: NYer

I’ve only been subjected to the layperson Homily once, this past Thanksgiving....though the first reading was supressed in favor of a Pagan Indian Prayer.

Very horrible, it was in Pawtucket RI.

Now that the TLM is back at Holy Trinity (at 9am!!!!), Boston, I’m ending up there more often than not.

I’m wondering if the Traddies may finally have one me over.


7 posted on 03/04/2008 1:22:47 PM PST by Cheverus
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To: NYer
their tremendous social outreach ministries to the poor and needy of the city

I would be very interested in hearing more detail on this -- a theme that recurs in stories about this "parish" but with no detail. Color me skeptical -- my own observation has been that the left is more into self-congratulation and government agencies and feel-good cr@p that benefits no one than they go for actual charity. Maybe these people are the exception, but I'd really like to know more.

8 posted on 03/04/2008 1:30:12 PM PST by maryz
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To: NYer

Most look like aging hippies.


9 posted on 03/04/2008 1:32:31 PM PST by pbear8 (The innocent cry out to God)
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To: NYer

As much as I’m a traditional Catholic who relishes the idea of the return of the Tridentine Mass, these people are really just enjoying themselves on a Sunday morning. Sure, they’re dissident Catholics, but they are really harmless and will fade away, as the elderly of the parish pass on there will not be a younger generation to take their place.

Yours Truly,
The Woim


10 posted on 03/04/2008 1:47:46 PM PST by The Woim
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To: The Woim
Sure, they’re dissident Catholics, but they are really harmless

Profaning and desecrating the Holy Eucharistic and the Mass is not harmless.

It is absolutely evil in the original, Luciferian sense of the word.

11 posted on 03/04/2008 1:52:09 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: NYer
Nick Coleman, a columnist for the StarTribune and a fallen away cradle Catholic himself, has a column this morning on the most recent events at St Stephen's.

You can't read anything by Nick Coleman unless you have a strong stomach.

But similar changes are taking place across the archdiocese, which is getting new, conservative leadership from Co-adjutor Archbishop John Nienstedt, who will shortly succeed Archbishop Harry Flynn.

The more snippets I get of our new Archbishop, the more I like him. Flynn has had his neck stepped on by his managers more than once, and I think it was time long ago for him to retire.

Those good works will continue. But many of the good people who contributed their time, talents and resources to the $3 million-a-year social outreach of a historic, 119-year-old inner-city parish will not.

In the lump, I think the Catholic Church in the Greater Minneapolis/St. Paul does decent work and has even under the watchful eye of Harry Flynn, who probably qualifies as a clown of the first order. I even think he has done better than average in the area of Catholic Church pedophiles. Still, if left to his own designs, you couldn't tell the difference between the Catholic Church and the Teletubbies.

I wish one of these characters who see themselves as "missionaries" would tell me why he or she can't do the same thing within the Catholic Church framework. The long and short of it is there are, I think, many ways to salvation, as in, "I am the way, the truth and the life..." The thing of it is is why can't "Catholic" missionaries do their work while following the rules of the Catholic Church? Another thing of it is is we can still do good works while being other than Catholic, just don't go around pretending to be Catholic.

12 posted on 03/04/2008 1:53:45 PM PST by stevem
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To: The Woim

In the Lutheran church, anyone who thought the purpose of a Lenten service was to “enjoy’ himself would be pummeled with three day old sweet roles to within an inch of his life.


13 posted on 03/04/2008 1:53:56 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: maryz

Indeed. I see a lot of white, middle-class people in that moblet - I don’t see any of the poor and homeless in their “gathering place.”


14 posted on 03/04/2008 1:54:07 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: NYer

Nothing a bunch of good honest prayer wouldn’t fix. Let’s hope this parish lands a Pastor who beleives in prayer and can teach it.


15 posted on 03/04/2008 1:56:59 PM PST by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: pbear8
They look to be mostly gray and/or gay.

The good news is they won't be around much longer to inflict themselves on this fallen world.

16 posted on 03/04/2008 2:00:53 PM PST by Martin Tell ("It is the right, good old way you are in: keep in it.")
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To: Martin Tell

Interesting ! Worse than my late wife’s (Epicopal) church on a really “progressive” day !


17 posted on 03/04/2008 2:24:20 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: Mr. Lucky
"...would be pummeled with three day old sweet roles to within an inch of his life."

Got that right. Whadd'ya think those Hot Cross Buns are for?!

18 posted on 03/04/2008 2:29:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Whisper sweet words of epismetology in your ear and speak to you of the pompitous of love. S. Miller)
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To: NYer

what, no rainbow on the marquis?


19 posted on 03/04/2008 2:36:53 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: Cheverus

I’ve often wondered to myself if I would object aloud in such a case. I hope I never find out.


20 posted on 03/04/2008 2:38:30 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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