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Historian reveals how Pius IX decided to proclaim dogma of Immaculate Conception (Catholic Caucus)
Catholic News Agency ^ | 2/13/2008

Posted on 02/15/2008 5:07:55 PM PST by markomalley

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1 posted on 02/15/2008 5:07:56 PM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

“He said Pius IX, despite his enthusiasm, welcomed the idea of consulting with the bishops of the world, who expressed their agreement, leading him to finally proclaim the dogma.”

Should have consulted with God.


2 posted on 02/15/2008 5:14:57 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Bob J

Who said he didn’t?


3 posted on 02/15/2008 5:31:26 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

If he consulted with God there would be no need to consult with the Bishops.


4 posted on 02/15/2008 5:47:32 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: markomalley

How interesting. I’ve always liked Pio Nono.


5 posted on 02/15/2008 5:55:54 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ trimom)
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To: Bob J

“Should have consulted with God.”

that was my thought and then go back and read his scriptures again.


6 posted on 02/15/2008 6:02:27 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: markomalley

Thanks for posting, I’ve never heard this before.


7 posted on 02/15/2008 6:05:47 PM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: swmobuffalo; Bob J

He’s been dead for 130 years this year. I can tell you this though, that he wouldn’t the advice of “Reformed” Christian who offer the same old platitudes.


8 posted on 02/15/2008 6:11:26 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

“that he wouldn’t the advice of “Reformed” Christian who offer the same old platitudes”

I’m guessing you mean “listen to” the advice etc, etc.

Them same old platitudes still hold true. When you can provide chapter and verse regarding the SCRIPTURAL validity of the man mad Marian doctrine, then we might talk.


9 posted on 02/15/2008 6:15:18 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Pyro7480

Did I spell “caucus” wrong or something?


10 posted on 02/15/2008 6:17:59 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: swmobuffalo

When you can prove to me that Christianity is a religion based SOLELY on the Bible, then we might talk as well. As St. Bernard of Clairvaux famously put it, the Christian faith “is not a religion of the Book,” but of the Word of God - “not of a written and mute word, but incarnate and living.”


11 posted on 02/15/2008 6:22:44 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: swmobuffalo

Did you not see the word “Caucus” in the thread title?


12 posted on 02/15/2008 6:23:46 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

“Did you not see the word “Caucus” in the thread title?”

Which means what?


14 posted on 02/15/2008 6:29:45 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo; WileyPink; Religion Moderator
From the Religion Moderator's profile

3. “Closed” threads on the Religion Forum include devotionals, prayer threads and caucuses. The header of the thread should make it obvious that the thread is closed, i.e. like a church meeting behind closed doors. Such assemblies will not be disturbed. Any challenges or ridicule will be removed. Any thread can be designated a caucus - e.g. labeled as a “[Catholic Caucus]” or “[LDS Caucus]” - provided that neither the article nor any of the posts challenge [*see footnote] or ridicule any other confession. These are “safe harbors” for those who are easily offended or are ill equipped to defend their own confession.

*Footnote on Caucuses

When we first began using Caucus labels to close threads in the interest of providing “safe harbor,” the Calvinists posted several articles which represented what the Catholics believe. Several Catholics strongly objected to such a thread qualifying for a closed caucus. Other posters agreed and so did I. After much discussion on thread, we determined that a caucus thread cannot be used as cover to take shots at another confession, argue against other confessions’ doctrines and traditions and so on. The other confession has an interest in rebutting statements made "against" it - no matter how mild those statements might be. Factual statements alone cannot remove a caucus protection, e.g. the current Pope is named Benedict, Martin Luther died in 1546, etc. But when a poster of another confession protests that statements made in a Caucus are incomplete, inaccurate, a strawman or whatever – and I determine those statements to have merit - the Caucus label must be removed so that rebuttals can be made.

15 posted on 02/15/2008 6:32:38 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

It would have been more helpful to politely point that out. I saw the title and concluded the “Catholic Caucus” was in reference to the group of bishops.

You’re assuming much in my remarks to the poster I FIRST replied to. YOU continued the conversation and now you want to complain? Ok. Whatever.


16 posted on 02/15/2008 6:41:05 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo; markomalley

I didn’t notice it until markomalley, the person who posted the thread, pinged me.


17 posted on 02/15/2008 6:42:24 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Religion Moderator

Please see explanation in post number 16. Thank you.


18 posted on 02/15/2008 6:42:33 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Pyro7480
I didn’t notice it until markomalley, the person who posted the thread, pinged me.

And I pinged you as a snide, snarky gesture (as in "geez, can't folks read around here???). Had I intended to invoke the wrath of mod, I would have pinged the mod.

19 posted on 02/15/2008 6:47:09 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

The problem is that you can only see (Catholic Cau) in the window bar, and that’s probably why I didn’t see it in the first place.


20 posted on 02/15/2008 6:51:14 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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