Posted on 01/20/2008 11:18:23 AM PST by markomalley
Very interesting.
(1) Am I right in thinking that all the Catholic Churches who are in communion with the Bishop of Rome (and this would include Melchites, Maronites, Byzantine Catholics, etc.) are under one "jurisdiction"?
(2)If the above is true, are they all under the same Canon Law?
(I vaguely remember hearing that this was somewhat controversial.)
(3)Do we all use the same Catechism?
(Again, I vaguely recall that, while nobody in the Eastern Catholic Churches would reject anything in the Catechism as an error, nevertheless there are some difficulties because of terminology, style, emphasis.)
With respect to your questions:
1) I don’t think all of the Eastern Churches come under “the direct Jurisdiction” of the Pope. The Eastern Churches govern their own Liturgical, devotional, sprituality matters themselves. Usually, the Bishops and Leaders of Religous Communties among the various Eastern Churches elect their own Metropolitan or Patriarch who serves as the leader of those Respective Eastern Churches. Sometimes perhaps, a list of names may be submitted and the Pope may choose a leader from among a group sent from the respective Eastern Church.
2) There is separate Code of Canon Law for the Eastern Catholic Churches. The Pope appoints a Cardinal to the Roman Curia who is specifically charged with working for the strength and welfare of the Eastern Catholic Churches.
3) There is only 1 Universal Catechesim, from which all Catechisms are based. However, I do believe Pope John Paull II wanted local Churches to prepare Catechesims for various Churches. So, the Maronite Catholic Church can perhaps base their local Catechism on the Universal Catechism, but include more of their own specific Eastern Tradition in it.
However, I think the Universal Catechism did an great job of incorporating both the Western and Eastern Traditions.
Anyway, my stab at your questions. Someone may be able to confirm where I am correct, modify where my answer needs some clarification.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for taking the time to track down that information for me. It’s never been quite clear in my mind. Are you Eastern?
No, I am American of Italian ancestry, mostly Sicilian, and my wife, who is of Polish-Irish Ancestry, are both Latin-Rite Catholics. I do teach in the RCIA program at my parish and due spend lots of time with Church History, Doctrine, Liturgy, etc.
I have made an effort over the years to better educate myself on the Eastern Catholic Churches, with the hope that one day, West and East will be fully re-united in communion with the Pope.
Cheers
I am still unsure about what the best methodology would be to arrive at a number for denominations. Perhaps an historical timeline that tracks the origins of the various denoms and splits while accounting for a genuine break in tradition versus a nominal difference.
By the way, the category listed as marginals could just as easily be labeled nominals.
I believe that all of the "marginals" do likewise and yet are still listed here.
Well, I didn’t make the list. I would not include them if they are denying core tenets of Christianity.
My recollection is that number came from Eichmann at his trial. The actual number of people killed is probably around 11 million, with about half that number (around 5.5 million, give or take a few hundred thousand) being Jews. So '6 million' is a rounding up, but a reasonably accurate number for general discussion of the subject of the extermination of Jews.
Okay, but do you have a source? And why do the other 6 million people not seem to count?
I had previously looked fairly closely at the methodology underlying this report http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM , unfortunately, I can’t locate those materials online at this point. Most of the numbers, except for the Soviets, look pretty solid. The Russian numbers don’t break out civilian combat deaths and incidental deaths from intentional extermination to the extent that they should. The 5.2 million given for the Jews is within the range that I would support, and as I recall, is based on the midpoint of legitimate research.
The other way you can get at the numbers is by looking at the impacted countries. Poland, both Jewish and non-Jewish, bore the brunt. (I’ve looked at all this in the past, but I am largely going from memory.) The problem with the Polish numbers is that they generally credit the Nazis for all the deaths in calculating the statistics, when, in fact, a significant number need to be credited to the Soviet occupiers (from both occupations).
From recollection, odds for being killed, for the gentile Poles, was about the same whether from the Nazis or the Reds; odds for being killed, for the Jewish Pole, were much higher at the hands of the Nazis. In any event, almost the entire Jewish population of Poland was liquidated (around 3 million). Only a handful were either able to successfully flee or to blend into the local population for the duration of the war. In Germany, some Jews were able to escape (in some cases facilitated by the Nazis) even as late as shortly after the outbreak of war; a few survived in place, and a few survived the camps. The results varied in the remaining occupied countries
Bump for later to really read this.
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