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To: rednesss

Yes, and the relic is almost certainly fake anyway. There used to be enough relics of some saints floating around to make several skeletons of different races and sexes.


4 posted on 12/31/2007 9:49:00 AM PST by hellbender
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This is the first I’ve heard of it. My first thought was it was a fake as well. I’m also assuming the picture is of a fancy-smancy gold filigreed something or other and the crib is inside it??? I looked around on the net and was unable to find a decent picture.


6 posted on 12/31/2007 9:56:45 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: hellbender; rednesss
"There used to be enough relics of some saints floating around to make several skeletons of different races and sexes."

A common dig, but I doubt it. Most relics of bone and hair are tiny, weighing only a few grams or a fraction of an ounce. It would take tens of thousands of them to equal the mass of one set of human remains.

9 posted on 12/31/2007 10:18:04 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Christus natus est! O Magnum Mysterium! Christ is born! Glorify Him!)
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To: hellbender; rednesss; onedoug; bboop; mtbopfuyn
There used to be enough relics of some saints floating around to make several skeletons of different races and sexes.

Would be interested in reading your source material for this statement. Link?

The veneration of relics is seen explicitly as early as the account of Polycarp’s martyrdom written by the Smyrnaeans in A.D. 156. In it, the Christians describe the events following his burning at the stake: "We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom."

In the fourth century the great biblical scholar, Jerome, declared, "We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are" (Ad Riparium, i, P.L., XXII, 907).

Keep in mind what the Church says about relics. It doesn’t say there is some magical power in them. There is nothing in the relic itself, whether a bone of the apostle Peter or water from Lourdes, that has any curative ability. The Church just says that relics may be the occasion of God’s miracles, and in this the Church follows Scripture.

The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life: "So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet" (2 Kgs. 13:20-21). This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint!

Similar are the cases of the woman cured of a hemorrhage by touching the hem of Christ’s cloak (Matt. 9:20-22) and the sick who were healed when Peter’s shadow passed over them (Acts 5:14-16). "And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them" (Acts 19:11-12).

If these aren’t examples of the use of relics, what are? In the case of Elisha, a Lazarus-like return from the dead was brought about through the prophet’s bones. In the New Testament cases, physical things (the cloak, the shadow, handkerchiefs and aprons) were used to effect cures. There is a perfect congruity between present-day Catholic practice and ancient practice. If you reject all Catholic relics today as frauds, you should also reject these biblical accounts as frauds.

11 posted on 12/31/2007 10:20:49 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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