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To: Elsie; sevenbak

Correct. He sinned.

I don’t understand why sevenbak is so adamant about Abraham not sinning. Mormons defend the “right” of their Prophets Joseph Smith and Brigham Young to be sinful....don’t they?

Don’t we hear from them over, and over again that their Prophets are ‘only’ men and sometimes speak as men with fallen ideas and lusts? Aren’t we told that when Brigham Young spoke the Adam/God doctrine that he was just espousing erroneous beliefs.

So are Prophets fallible as men, or not? not? What say ye seven?


258 posted on 09/28/2007 10:35:29 AM PDT by colorcountry (If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you get nonsense! ~ J. Vernon McGee)
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To: colorcountry; sevenbak
So are Prophets fallible as men, or not? not? What say ye seven?

Yes, we keep saying that. Prophets are fallible as men.

308 posted on 09/28/2007 8:39:01 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: colorcountry
Correct. He sinned. I don’t understand why sevenbak is so adamant about Abraham not sinning. Mormons defend the “right” of their Prophets Joseph Smith and Brigham Young to be sinful....don’t they? Don’t we hear from them over, and over again that their Prophets are ‘only’ men and sometimes speak as men with fallen ideas and lusts? Aren’t we told that when Brigham Young spoke the Adam/God doctrine that he was just espousing erroneous beliefs. So are Prophets fallible as men, or not? not? What say ye seven?

I never said Abraham didn't sin. I said he didn't commit adultery. Jesus was the only person alive who was without sin, but God had never worked through his prophets when they disobeyed his commandments as blatantly as you accuse Abraham and the rest of doing. Righteousness is a prerequisite of obtaining the powers of heaven, it's always worked that way. Same goes for the Holy Ghost or comforter. One must at least be trying to live the commandments.

And yes, prophets are fallible as men, or course they are. No one is claiming otherwise.

361 posted on 09/29/2007 12:31:41 AM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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