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Conversion Story - Matt Enloe (former Baptist) [prepare to be amazed!]
Enloeapologetics ^ | Matt Enloe

Posted on 08/08/2007 1:31:31 PM PDT by NYer

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To: ArrogantBustard
At age 7, I was an altar boy in training. Our class of 5 trainees was required to sit in the front pew during one Mass to observe the fine details of serving.

One of the altar boys serving was the star of our high school basketball team (in a town of 300). He was gangly and well over 6' tall. When he went to stand up after kneeling at the side of the altar, the back of his cassock caught on the heel of his shoe and he stumbled backwards across the sactuary with his arms flailing until he landed on the bench against the wall where Father and the servers sat.

When I looked up to see what our very ancient and stern priest was going to do, he was just standing there behind the altar looking straight ahead with his arms still raised, tears in his eyes, and his face screwed down as tight as he could get it to maintain his composure. And he stayed like that for a minute or two until he could continue.

You'd have to have been there to appreciate it, but that is still one of the funniest moments I can ever remember from Mass. It still makes me laugh when I think about it.

21 posted on 08/09/2007 7:50:26 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: ears_to_hear
Jesus just instituted a bunch of new symbols to replace the old ones, huh? What a waste of his time! Guess the author of Hebrews didn't get the memo.

That's the (gnosticism alert!) "special knowledge" that's hidden from the "unsaved" who don't have the magic Protestant glasses to see that Jesus says one thing and means another.

Unfortunately for you, nobody else had those Protestant glasses for the first 800 years of Christian history, including men who learned their Christianity at the feet of the apostles. Was Ignatius of Antioch, who learned the Gospel from Peter and Paul, and who wrote, as he traveled to his martyrdom, that we ought not to even speak of heretics who deny that the Eucharist is the flesh of Christ which was crucified for us ... was he among the "unsaved"?

22 posted on 08/09/2007 7:55:05 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Titanites

That’s what happens when your cassock is too long. You kneel, and it drapes over your heels. You stand, and step on the thing ... then you’re in trouble. For a growing boy, consistently having a properly sized cassock can be a challenge.


23 posted on 08/09/2007 7:55:49 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Iscool
According to Baptist belief, baptism is another one of those signs or symbols that Christ instituted that don't really do anything, objectively speaking. Someone is saved (according to Baptist belief) when they "ask Jesus into their heart" or "take him as their personal savior", not when they're baptized.

So what difference does it make?

I don't believe you ever answered me before when I asked you if a "once saved always saved" Christian who became a believing Catholic is still saved. Are they?

24 posted on 08/09/2007 8:03:36 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Iscool
So this fella grew up and got saved in a Baptist church, had Baptist parents and Baptist Grandparents and never got baptized...

He said "No baptismal record was ever found." That doesn't mean he wasn't baptized.

25 posted on 08/09/2007 9:32:54 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
He said "No baptismal record was ever found." That doesn't mean he wasn't baptized.

There was no formal record of mine, though I remember it. I was 7, possibly 8, full immersion Southern Baptist. I had my Dad contact the church secretary from the time, who also remembered it, and as a non-relative, the letter she was kind enough to write was accepted at the parish where I was received.

The issue of nonexistence of my baptismal certificate was what brought out the disaster of my RCIA class - after 4 1/2 months of what I had thought was instruction (and I thought it was pretty lame - I remember writing at least one essay on my "faith journey") when we were preparing to be received at the Easter Vigil, I was told that my lack of a certificate didn't matter, because I wouldn't be received for another year anyway. The (thankfully former) director of RCIA there had decided that everyone had to go through a year of "seeking" before the real "instruction" started. I switched to another parish the next week, the pastor worked with me extra, and I was received that Easter after all, Easter of 2000. Deo Gratias.

26 posted on 08/09/2007 10:35:44 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: ears_to_hear

Nice polemic. ;)


27 posted on 08/15/2007 12:35:28 PM PDT by Charles07
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To: Uncle Chip

False. I am not a liar. :)

Matt Enloe


28 posted on 08/15/2007 12:35:31 PM PDT by Charles07
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To: Iscool

Maybe if you had actually read my story and not taken things out of context, you would have actually had something interesting to comment on.

My parents were NOT Baptist.

Moreover, they disagreed with baptism; this is why I was not baptised.

Next time, please read the entire story, and resist the urge to yank things out of context.

-Matt Enloe


29 posted on 08/15/2007 12:35:34 PM PDT by Charles07
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To: Charles07
False. I am not a liar. :) Matt Enloe

Say those Hail Marys and a Rosary or two anyway --- just in case :) UC

30 posted on 08/15/2007 2:36:15 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Sure. :)

For your return to the Church. ;)


31 posted on 08/15/2007 3:20:03 PM PDT by Charles07
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To: Charles07
Sure. :)For your return to the Church. ;)

In that case you better double or triple it ---- with a novena :)

32 posted on 08/15/2007 4:23:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’ll help him.


33 posted on 08/15/2007 5:16:44 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: NYer
Revelation 3:20 - Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, (then) I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.

The Calvinists around her don't like this verse because it supports "free will", and they can have that. It would screw up the whole predestination/double predestination thing.

34 posted on 08/15/2007 5:24:59 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: suzyjaruki
I don't remember going to church regularly but I'm sure we did cuz my mom was in the choir.

I remember the day I got baptized, I was 5. I don't remember the actual rite but I can tell you exactly what I was wearing.

35 posted on 08/15/2007 6:03:14 PM PDT by tiki
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To: NYer
::Sigh:: It is so boring to read of these Protestant converts coming into the "absolutely unchanged" church whose imprimatur is on innumerable volumes teaching limited inerrancy (if any at all), higher Biblical criticism, and evolution. I notice these people like to ignore these issues. Perhaps they've converted all the way and become higher critics and evolutionists themselves?

It's also quite maddening to read these Protestant converts boasting of the "unity" of the Catholic Church. Never mind that the spectrum of beliefs within the "one true unchanging church" is as great as that among Protestant denominations. As long as everyone belongs to the same organization and recites the same words (which each interprets differently) then everything is just hunky-dory.

The Catholic Church, if it is hated by the "world," is not hated nearly as much as Fundamentalist Protestants are. In fact, the intellectualism of the Catholic Church means it actually enjoys much respect from the world.

And finally, if you can't think of a better reason to believe in the "perpetual virginity" of Mary other than that sex is dirty, you'd do better not to engage in any apologetics at all.

36 posted on 08/15/2007 6:10:26 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Som tasim `aleykha melekh, 'asher yivchar HaShem 'Eloqeykha bo . . . .)
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To: Charles07

So . . . do you believe in evolution now? That seems to be the dominant belief within the “unchanged since antiquity” church.


37 posted on 08/15/2007 6:15:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Som tasim `aleykha melekh, 'asher yivchar HaShem 'Eloqeykha bo . . . .)
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To: tiki
tiki, you must be female!

Gals seem to remember events more by what was worn than what was happening. :)

38 posted on 08/15/2007 6:56:56 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: Campion
I don't believe you ever answered me before when I asked you if a "once saved always saved" Christian who became a believing Catholic is still saved. Are they?

Gotta be a trick question since I can't imagine anyone getting saved and then joining the Catholic church...

But anyway, not even your church can take a child of God out of Jesus' hands...

39 posted on 08/16/2007 6:10:29 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Might I recomend a book?

It clears up most confusion regarding that particular “issue”.

Isaiah. :)


40 posted on 08/16/2007 10:02:12 AM PDT by Charles07
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