Posted on 07/23/2007 3:36:15 PM PDT by annalex
It even had a Pontificus Maximus to lead them all
1 Corinthians.
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”[a]
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[b] foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Glory Only in the Lord
26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the LORD.”[c]
Footnotes:
1 Corinthians 2
Christ Crucified
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony[a] of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human[b] wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Spiritual Wisdom
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:
“ Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”[c]
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?”[e] But we have the mind of Christ.
Please forgive me for holding to my belief that the Word of G-d contains no errors of any kind. Certainly this was most unreasonable. [/sarcasm]
Where, might I ask, and under what conditions?
I was a simple convert who read my way into the church (you have to do this since the Catholic Church doesn't evangelize; that's something only "stupid Baptist hillbillies" would do, right?). And I was a member in my home area of the Upper South where my county had no Catholic Church to attend, so I had to drive to another city every week. Of course, the Catholic Church doesn't really want people like live in my county, so I suppose everyone is happy about that.
Then I went to a very liberal university outside my home region and when I turned to "my" church for help when the Bbile was being ripped to shreds it wasn't there for me. In fact, the "official" denominational counsellor at my school for Catholics tole me I should leave the Chruch becaue the way I thought "wasn't Catholic." But since I believed the Catholic Church was the "one true church" I couldn't do that at that time, so I had to settle for being a "second class citizen" in the Catholic Church.
Maybe you'll explain why Biblical miracles are more irrational than post-Biblical miracles?
I really love that one.
You didn’t answer my second question:
**A question to you — Did Jesus Christ come to us in the stable of Bethlehem through Mary?**
They go to my hips and the wine is good for my cardiovascular system.
I thought so, too.
As you can see — it was today’s quote on EWTN.
What does the scripture say? Is it credible or not
I really love this one too.
It’s a “I’m not laughing at you, I’m laughing with you.” deal.
I thought I stated my position plainly and honestly. I am sorry that you evidently so enthusiastic about evolution and Biblical criticism that you can only continue to attack me.
As for calling your "lxrd" a liar, I was actually talking about the Biblical ("old testament") G-d. So far as I know, most Catholics still believe the "new testament;" it's just the "old" one that they think is full of fairy tales. Nevertheless, if you have been reading this thread at all you have seen evolution defended (and thut total Biblical inerrancy denied) by your co-religionists.
I can only conclude that you are taking attacks on evolution as attacks on "how Catholics worship." So have they incorporated readings from Charles Darwin into the mass now?
Farewell.
Why is it that when you are asked for evidence you ignore the request and just move forward? Interestingly, the author describes this tactic. Please provide evidence without shifting and asking other questions.
Whoa, there are some sad people on this thread. I would consider it an honor for you to pray for me. I will also pray for you. God bless.
As definitive of a source as http://www.tldm.org/tldmstore/PersonalProtectionPacket.htm is. could you cite something from the Catechism? Thanks.
LOLOLOL!
So you state that Catholics believe in “gods of metals, rocks and imaginations”
HAHAHAHA **OH MY SIDES**
You really want Catholics to be the same as Pagans.
Sorry, dear heart, your ignorance of Catholics is showing.
Just because you WANT these things that look the same to you to be the same, doesn’t make them the same.
And here we go again, when Christ referred to “on THIS rock” he was referring to himself, leastwise Ephesians 2:20 does not follow. So how can Christ be the Cornerstone, and yet the Church is not built upon Him as found in Eph and Rev?
To say that something “happened before the Crucifixion so it is not relevant to this discussion” seems passing strange to me at least, so I referenced a random act in the gospels that also occured before the Crucifixion that also would be for naught.
Peter’s healing miracle of the lame man occured at the “Beautiful Gate” before that however, there were miracles performed, but not enumerated.
I ask about Paul because he also founded Churches, he was an Apostle by Grace, yet he never considered himself inferior to Peter, as a matter of Scripture Paul rebuked Peter, in those times, and inferior could not do that, things went from the top down so to speak.
It’s a simple answer that I gave you. To get God to answer your prayer, you want to go to Mary, for you have the idea that Jesus will never say no to her. You think that you have hit upon a clever and sure-fire way to control God. This is a case of magical thinking as man cannot control God. There are other instances but life is short
No, I’m stating that telling us that Sola Scriptura is absolutely correct is not what Catholics believe.
So we don’t call Our Lord a liar, you call us that.
But we don’t need to smile about it either.
I am not one, so your question is misplaced. However, I imagine a Catholic evolutionist would say that when a mutation occurs resulting in a new species, it is a miracle worked by God according to his plan, not unlike when God was asked to elect the replacement for Judas and lots were cast by the Eleven.
What did G-d get wrong?
The teaching is that God inspired men who wrote under His guidance using the paradigm and the knowledge framework of their time, in the manner which would be most comprehensible for the contemporary reader. For example, were Moses to write "In the beggining God created electromagnetic field, the gravity force, and the periodic table" it would be more accurate to a modern reader but not comprehensible to the reader God most cared about, the goatherder Jew in the desert.
Please comment on this though, -- I made a general reference to the spectrum of opinion that exists in Protestantism, but I can ask the same thing of you personally: A similar, and in fact a wider spectrum of views on evolution and creation exists in Judaism. Why don't you direct the same vitriol to the religion that you happen to belong to, and let Catholics worry about the religion they belong to, even more so since as a whole we are closer to creationism than the modern Jews?
First, we need to distinguish "Intelligent Design" as it is advanced by the movement centered at the Discovery Institute, from the clasical philosophical (and theological) thesis that the whole world is intelligently designed [created by a perfectly rational Being]. I'll distinguish them by capitalizing the 'I' and 'D' for the former, and using small caps 'i' and 'd' for the latter. The Catholic Church has always believed and taught that the world is intelligently designed. So *everything* is divinely guided in this deeper, providential sense. (That can be seen in Aquinas.) That is a *philosophical* truth. But the ID thesis, on the other hand, is that certain features of the world can be scientifically shown to have been intelligently designed (sometimes the thesis is weakened to "is scientifically the best explanation for"). The Catholic Church has taken no position on the ID thesis.
The theistic evolution position held by some Catholics is that God guides evolution as the primary cause, not in the form of divine interventions (i.e. direct unmediated supernatural miracles). The ID methodology, on the other hand, seeks to show that since there is no plausible natural [not naturalistic] explanation, therefore there must be a supernatural explanation (i.e. an 'intervention' of some sort). That's why it is not infrequently charged with having committed the God-of-the-gaps fallacy. It also tends in practice to treat objects that *do* have natural explanations as not in any sense intelligently designed; and that concerns Catholic philosophers. The fundamental difference then between the two positions (ID and id) is that ID is looking at the whole issue from the point of view of experimental science, whereas the classical philosophical form of intelligent design treats it as a matter of philosophy.
I hope that helps.
-A8
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