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To: Forest Keeper

So which is it?

Does God wave the magic wand first and then you are saved? Or does one say that one wants to be saved and then God waves the magic wand?

Enquiring minds would like to know, especially since there has been a rather conflicting series of posts about this very subject.


2,965 posted on 08/18/2007 10:30:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50; kawaii; wmfights
So which is it? Does God wave the magic wand first and then you are saved? Or does one say that one wants to be saved and then God waves the magic wand?

Using your terms, God waves the magic wand first and then we believe and are saved within time. We are born as slaves to sin, and are incapable of coming to God by our own devices. God must touch us first because God chose us first, we did not choose Him.

3,482 posted on 08/21/2007 12:05:26 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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