[editor-surveyor]

you speak of "dark matter" and "dark enegry" as some "facts." They are hypothetical constructs, necessary plug-ins in the formula to balance out the equation. They have yet to be discovered. They "exist" only in the minds of those who are desperately trying to save the failed relativity theory.

Actually, they are only necessary to save the foolish "unbounded" universe. There never was a reason (other than ruling out God's word) to assume an unbounded condition. If you revert to Humphreys' bounded, spheroid universe, the need for such constructs disappears completely. As a bonus, Humphreys' universe fits the declarations and known facts of God's word like a glove. It solves the ridiculous old earth and old universe nicely through the then useful General Relativity, since the gravitational dilation of time explains the appearance of age through the expansion of space. His equations have been attacked 'adhominem' style, but never refuted. (although the God-haters claim that adhominem attack is sufficient to refute anything that agrees with God's word)

[kosta50]

Actually, they [dark matter, dark energy] are only necessary to save the foolish "unbounded" universe

What is "beyond" Hymphrey's spheroid universe?

[betty boop]

Actually, they are only necessary to save the foolish "unbounded" universe. There never was a reason (other than ruling out God's word) to assume an unbounded condition.

What is it that disturbs you about an unbounded universe, Editor-Surveyor? Can you state your objection? I'm not being hostile here, or adversarial. I only wish to understand your point of view.

I do not myself see how an unbounded universe "rules out" God's word in any way. What am I missing?