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To: MarkBsnr
Since we have opened the door to the preheresy Origen, let us now proceed to Chapter VI:

But these pray along with those who genuinely pray—not only the high priest but also the angels who “rejoice in heaven over one repenting sinner more than over ninety-nine righteous that need not repentance,” and also the souls of the saints already at rest. Two instances make this plain. The first is where Raphael offers their service to God for Tobit and Sarah. After both had prayed, the scripture says, “The prayer of both was heard before the presence of the great Raphael and he was sent to heal them both,” and Raphael himself, when explaining his angelic commission at God’s command to help them, says:

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Origen says that we are to pray to the saints.

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Origen says nothing of the kind, not even close. Origne says that the angels and the "saints at rest" pray along with us, being the saints on earth.

It is precisely the reading of misconceptions into places where it does not exist, and thus twisting, and perverting the meaning that has led Roman Cathlolicism into a host of heresies and false practices.

10,210 posted on 10/31/2007 3:19:28 PM PDT by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey

:::Origen says nothing of the kind, not even close. Origne says that the angels and the “saints at rest” pray along with us, being the saints on earth.:::

Uh huh.

“Raphael himself, when explaining his angelic commission at God’s command to help them, says:

“Even now when you prayed, and Sarah your daughter-in-law, I brought the memorial of your prayer before the Holy One,” and shortly after, “I am Raphael, one of the Seven angels who present the prayers of saints and enter in before the glory of the Holy One.”

So Raphael catches prayers directly to God in some sort of heavenly bucket and then presents them to God? I thought that Jesus was the only intermediary in Reformed doctrine. This gets better and better.


10,229 posted on 11/01/2007 5:09:08 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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