Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
“I’ll stay with His Church, thankyouverymuch.”
Chacun son goût.
Then what is Purgatory all about?..
Your free will entitles you to be blithe about your eternal soul.
He Knows but He does NOT interfere.
That is love!
Why must you insist that God (LOVE) creates evil?
Dear Brother, You need to understand AGAPE!
Good Night!
I wish you a Blessed Evening!
I don’t have to be a follower of Calvin to know that Judas was destined for hell before he was born.
Did he steal in the womb? Will he be a thief til the day he dies?
Perhaps you are there for some reason too.
Know?
LOL
Let’s say that Mother Theresa is in heaven.
Did that surprise God, or did God always know it?
Do you think that God is going to accept dirty laundry into heaven?
...Or do you think that you must be fully clean to enter into heaven?
I'm tired.
I wish you a Blessed evening!
All knowing. No surprise.
No, the scriptures tell me I can rest and rejoice and be carefree (blithe)in the salvation secured to me by the finished work of Jesus which salvation was appropriated by faith. Phil. 4:4-7, "Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."
Being "blithe" (carefree) should be the normal state of a believer.
Thank you, kosta. Mxxx
Look, the Church understood it from the beginning to mean triple immersion and for a good reason. The language of the Church was Greek. This is not some private interpretation or a matter of private taste. If the immersion is misunderstood Chrsitians outrside the Church, you can imagine what else is. Making a church according to one's private preference is a man-made "church."
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Isaiah 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD.
What a great post.
When you see all those verses that say GOD is the ROCK it can't help but open eyes that want to see. I believe the "Keys to the kingdom" of heaven is the indwelling HOLY SPIRIT in all believers.
You’re right, matters regarding salvation should never be a matter of private taste. Yet as you noted yourself, the interpretation of a triple immersion is without scriptural support, and is/was a matter of private interpretation.
Whether this interpretation is recent, or ancient is not the question.
If a triple immersion was vitally important, would not Christ and his Apostles have CLEARLY spelled it out? The fact that they used a word that has implications of multiple immersion does not mean that it is automatically so (much less 3), and as Greek speakers they would have been aware of this possible interpretation. Yet, being aware of it, they did not see the need to stress that it was triple.
You place a lot of stress on not interpreting the scriptures according to personal taste, and this is entirely important. Yet merely because an interpretation was made centuries ago does not exclude it from this necessity. The highest authority we have is scripture, guided by the Spirit of God, and it is to this that we must constantly return.
Yes and yes. The EO (usually the Greeks, for reasons too complicated to go into here) have used and recommend the KJV. The errors contained in the KJV are corrected against patristic teachings and early Church documents. The Church put the Christian canon together and therefore reserves the right to its correct interpretation. You cannot accept the Bible, which is the product of the Church, and deny church's authority when it comes to the Bible.
The KJV is particularly riddled with errors because (1) it was tailored for political reasons to Protestant bias; this included necessary alterations in the text on which it is based, (2) its foundation is in Textus Receptus, which is a product of (a) two latter-day Greek sources of Alexandrian-type text (known to contain redactions and changes relative to older versions), (b) a private retro-translations from Latin into (poor) Greek by William Tyndale, (c) sections derived from unreliable Latin Vulgate, and (d) translational errors.
Also, KJV is written in archaic English which you may think you understand. Many of the same sounding words words as those in modern English found in KJV are of archaic meaning which is different from the contemporary meaning. Unless you are well versed in Shakespearean English, chances are you will misconstrue may be a verse in KJV simply for that reason alone.
As far as the Orthodox Church goes, each particular Orthodox Church will use a specific Christian canon, whether it is KJV, NAB, NIV, etc. because it is the Church that ultimately applies the correct concepts, as they have been understood and used since the beginning, and certainly since the time when the Church put together the Bible.
First, you don't know it He did or not, because a lot of what was taught tom the Apostles was not written down. Second, the whole Church practiced triple immersion form the beginning, is it was not a matter of private interpretation of a local church but something accepted by all churches.
The fact that they used a word that has implications of multiple immersion does not mean that it is automatically so (much less 3), and as Greek speakers they would have been aware of this possible interpretation
The number of immersions represents how many days Christ was dead before he rose again. Baptism involves immersion (burial). For obvious reasons, one cannot remain submerged under water for three days, so the three-day submersion burial is fittingly represented by three immersions before the newly baptized person is resurrected.
If the word baptiso means multiple immersions, what number would be fitting for the person being baptized to follow in Christ's footsteps if not three? Obviously, one is not correct because the formula calls for multiple. Two is meaningless. So is four, and five, because they have no bearing on Christ whom we are following in death and resurrection.
WoW Fass.. dogma has screwed up your observations.. as I see it..
No flame.. God bless you.. Vaya con Dios..
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