Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
That's Hallmark, not Scripture. Is fallen man capable of loving God? What does the Bible say?
If Calvinism is anywhere near correct (an admission I emphatically do not make), then what is the impetus to evangelize the world? Those who are destined to go to heaven will have the Holy Spirit descend upon them regardless of where they dwell in either the Amazon or the Congo.
Those who will dance in eternal torment will do so regardless of anything that anyone will do to or for them. I ask you again, what is the point of such a doctrine? It is awful and goes against most of the Gospels. What is the appeal to you?
The Catholic Bible is the Catholic Bible.
What are you talking about?
We don’t have the original manuscripts. It’s difficult to translate that which we don’t have.
I’ll PM you with the other reference.
But as evidenced by hundreds of years of error and apostasy and arrogance and misrule and outright denial of God's word, the Roman Catholic Church has shown itself to be a poor impostor of the one holy catholic and apostolic church.
"Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda."
Does the Catholic Bible (RCC) and the Catholic Bible (EO) contain 1 Esdras, Maccabees 3, and Psalm 151? Are they exactly the same?
Why wasn't Luther a "translator commissioned by Jesus?" I say he was. You say he wasn't. So the truth inevitably comes down, like Protestants believe, to the evidence of the argument itself, and not to the man articulating that evidence.
The joke of the RCC is that it believes a bunch of old men in funny hats dressed up like sorcerers has a better understanding of the Bible than the God-given conscience of a man who earnestly seeks to read and understand the Scriptures.
“If Calvinism is anywhere near correct (an admission I emphatically do not make), then what is the impetus to evangelize the world?”
It has something to do with love the Lord your God and your neighbor. Since you don’t know who the elect are and since you know where salvation is, loving your neighbor is pointing him/her to the life saver. Jesus also tells us to do it and then says those that love Him do as He says. “Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.............the love of Christ constrains us”.
Ah, then you have no theological objection to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? You simply say that it didn’t carry out its duly authorized duties as well as it should?
We have made progress. With that said, we may well all return to the One Flock.
What’s the point of pointing? If all has been predetermined, then so what?
What is scripture? What you or I decide? Without the Church, anything is "scripture."
As God wills.
The proper verb isn't "flattered." It's "deluded."
Luther was a fallen Catholic monk who abdicated his sworn duties in order to assume personal wealth and power.
With his imperfections, bad temper and imperfect theological understanding, he could never get to the funny hat stage. So he did much as the union bosses did - he found a different road to wealth and power.
A farting fraud. You’re as welcome to him as the Mormons are to Joseph Smith.
What source(s) are you using for your usage of Baptizo as ‘repetitive’?
“If all has been predetermined, then so what?”
But you don’t know how or when that election is made known to the person. Paul says “how will they hear unless someone is sent?” That does not take away from election, it just speaks to the chosen means used to quicken it. It’s the old “if you don’t do it, someone else will” and then we must give an acount of our stewardship.
Your traditions of men are convoluted and non-Biblical.
The NAB (online) has the book of Ezra.
Maccabees is variously listed as either 2 or 4 books.
Psalm 151 is listed in many Bibles in the appendix.
Is there a point here?
(sorry, I hit the wrong button and sent an incomplete text earlier)
What source(s) are you using for your usage of Baptizo as ‘repetitive’?
The sources I’ve found list ‘repetitive’ as one usage, but not the sole or exclusive usage. The immersion aspect of it is also noteworthy.
The question remains though... what is ‘baptism’ to God? Is it a ritual act where the ritual is of primary importance, or is the spirit of the act the essential point?
What is that account?
And how are we called to account for our actions? If we are robot slaves, then we have nothing to account for. It is simply our programming.
How do you punish a computer for following the program that you programmed it to do?
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