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To: DelphiUser

But what is your definition of God versus god?

http://www.mormonbeliefs.com/god-jesus-trinity-virgin_birth.htm states that:

The Trinity and Virgin Birth are doctrines of man that were an integral part of mystery religions. They were invented by Nimrod (grandson of Noah); and made official doctrines of Christianity by the unbaptized, pagan Roman Emperor Constantine...

Constantine assembled the Council of Nicea in 325 AD; and established the creed which became the center of Christian belief in God—the Trinity and Virgin Birth. This Creed of St. Athanasius remains the foundation of Christian belief today. “He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.” In essence it states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are all three the same god. They are all uncreated, incomprehensible, eternal, and almighty; and its believers are “compelled by the Christian verity, to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord.” Despite the claims of its founder, it is clearly the doctrine of three gods and not one...

As God created man in his own likeness and image (Gen. 1:26), so Adam begat a son in his own likeness and image (Gen. 5:3). What does God look like? Look at yourself in the mirror. Although the human body has lost its glory, we retain the likeness and image of God...

God withdrew His spirit from among them. God no longer spoke with man. Satan was given power to destroy the Church of Christ (Rev. 12:5, 6), the holy priesthood ( 12:17 ), and finally every saint of God (Rev. 13:5-7) for a period of 1260 years. Knowledge of God was soon lost after the days of Constantine...

The Bible leaves no doubt the Almighty Father stands alone as GOD; and is above Jesus in immortality, authority, and perfection. GOD is one and not three...

The Almighty Father is the King of Kings over the entire Universe. He alone is GOD. GOD is one, perfect, without beginning or end, and changes not. The Creed of St. Athanasius declares, “So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God.” This is clearly a doctrine of three gods. The Bible teaches there are actually two distinct and individual personages that constitute the supreme and governing power over the Universe and this creation—the Father AND the Son. The Holy Spirit shares the same mind and purpose with God and Jesus; and coordinates the work of all. These three constitute what is termed the Godhead. Neither Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit can be GOD. There is nothing in the Bible that teaches the Trinity...

Jesus had a beginning; and was the beginning of this creation—the only begotten of the Father in this creation. Jesus lived as a spirit like us before His birth into the world, died, and was raised from the grave by the Father...

Jesus received His power from the Father. Before He was born of water and the Spirit, He was alien to the kingdom of God ; and held no divine power. He could not have been GOD. He had to be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God . Jesus was then ordained an Apostle, Prophet, and Lawgiver under the hands of the Father (Heb. 5:5). He gave others divine power to bind on earth and in heaven. He was raised from the dead by the power of the Father. After His resurrection, Jesus was given all power in this creation by the Father...

Jesus had a beginning; and WAS the beginning of this creation. Jesus told John, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.” (Rev. 21:6) All men, including Jesus, were first created as spirits. “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.” (John 3:13)
Jesus was the only spirit brought forth by God. “In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.” (1 John 4:9) He is not Almighty GOD; but, He is the God of this creation. The rest of creation was the work of Jesus in liaison with the Father...

Some have been led to believe through the doctrines of Constantine that Jesus was God. GOD cannot be alien to His own kingdom. The Father was speaking from heaven, the Son was rising up out of the water, and the Holy Spirit was descending upon Jesus. It is not possible that these three different entities in three different places at the same time can be one and the same identical person—GOD. GOD is one and not three...

Faith in Jesus is possible only through knowing the real Jesus—the seed of David. Jesus is not GOD; although He is the God and Savior of this creation...

Exactly 1260 years after the beast, Papal Rome was established in 570 AD, Joseph Smith claimed to have been ordained to the Prophetic Office under the hands of angels; and restored both the Melchisedec Priesthood and the original gospel of Christ...

It sounds to me that LDS doctrine puts Jesus as a lesser being than Heavenly Father, that Jesus is a completely separate individual from GOD, that there is no such thing as the Holy Spirit as God, that GOD originally had a human form and personally impregnated Mary, that there are multiple universes and Jesus is in charge only of our particular one.

I think that there are a whole bunch of serious departures from what we’d call mainstream Christianity. Do I support your right to believe in LDS doctrines? Sure. I support the right of Jains to practice their own theology as well.

As others have mentioned, what irritates is the new interpretations being generated as well as new documentation that points in very different directions from original Church teachings, while using the same Biblical names and characters.


921 posted on 07/12/2007 1:54:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Is this you speaking or the article to which you refer?... “There is nothing in the Bible that teaches the Trinity”

BTW, welcome to the scrum.


922 posted on 07/12/2007 2:12:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: All

Would any pro Mormon care to have discourse on http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1861095/posts?page=921#921?

There seems to be certain silence.


933 posted on 07/12/2007 3:33:22 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Thanks for the fascinating link!!


960 posted on 07/12/2007 5:05:16 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: MarkBsnr
But what is your definition of God versus god?

The rest of your post seems to suffer from schizophrenia and to cover so many topics in such a fashion that I am failing to detect a coherent question or direction from them. It seems you don't think we are right, and that's OK, it's your opinion, but if you want answers, you need to ask coherent questions, try smaller posts with specific questions..
983 posted on 07/12/2007 10:32:33 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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