Posted on 07/05/2007 3:00:33 AM PDT by Gamecock
Yes, Bryce has stunning views. Several years ago we did a night hike down to Queen’s Garden, and then at midnight under the full moon, hiked back up Navajo trail. It’s an experience I will never forget. The stars were so close. It was just beautiful.
My ward did a trek to commemorate the Mormon pioneers coming to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847 (this was in 1997.) We were all dressed in pioneer garb and had a few handcarts. Middle of July in Utah.
Not to point any fingers, but the men looked at the map, but didn’t bring the map because they could remember where we were to go. A 2 mile trek turned into a 17 mile death march. We had kids dropping like flies due to heat exertion and dehydration. They even sent out the Search and Rescue squad. We were sooo relieved to see the trucks. There were no lasting effects from the trek, but those leaders learned that perhaps they should bring along maps next time.
Any time I mention that trek to anyone who was on it, we all turn green. LOL.
Great story about hiking alone. They wouldn’t drink the water because it had specks in it? LOL. Last week I was cooking dinner and the wind came up. Not too much dirt, but the pine trees started dropping baby pine cones (about an inch long) everywhere. I just picked them out of the chicken I was warming up and no one was the wiser. :)
No official position on the Harry Potter books or movies. They are hugely popular in Utah. My niece is a big fan. It is killing her that her family is on vacation right now and she couldn't go to the premiere of the movie.
I know you have a metaphysical feeling that it makes sense to say that you can be born, become a God, and therefore always exist. The only problem is that it is illogical. To be born you need to be in time, not out of it, time exists, therefore there is a before.
Very funny with your pioneer trek. Our men had the map on our hike in the Badlands. We just looked at the map only, not the warnings on the back it. Hey, with responsability comes endless ribbing after you mess up.
LOL. It would have added some crunch to the meal.
And it was amazing to see the chipmunks come in herds as soon as we pulled out any food. They’re so friendly they would run underneath the campstove I was cooking on. Hmmm, squirrel for dinner?
For instance, "your anti-atheist position..." may not be making it personal, if you have made it clear that you are against atheism.
On the other hand, if someone is attributing motives to you - and not merely summing up your position - let them know and ping me because that would be "making it personal."
Pinging myself to your clarification on the rules. Thanks, RM.
I would appreciate it if you (DU and CC) could answer the following questions.
1. If your beliefs are correct what will it cost you? What will you gain? What’s the emotional payoff?
2. If your beliefs are not correct what will you lose? Are you diminished by losing? What is the cost, not only to you but to others?
3. If both of your beliefs are incorrect what will it cost you and others? Will you regret the time you have spent arguing?
Thanks
The 'dark region' in OK sounds very appealing, Osage O. I think I'll look at putting that on my 'trek map' for my coming drive West.
It is a big comfort to know that. And to know that we can dwell with Christ and Heavenly Father for eternity.
My wife is making sushi for lunch, just heard the Timer on the rice cooker go off. Not all good food hardens the arteries...
These questions are WAY too big to be answered in this space. That is why DU, others and I keep having these extended coversations. I have posted thousands of posts regarding the issue of whether or no the LDS religion is part of the Christian Church. Needless to say If I am correct, my family, friends and community are damned....I am trying to save as many as possible from what I see as heresy.
2. If your beliefs are not correct what will you lose? Are you diminished by losing? What is the cost, not only to you but to others?
If my beliefs are not correct, and the LDS position is, then I have doomed myself to outer darkness, sinces I have partaken of "sacred covenants." If my beliefs are incorrect and there is no Christ, then we are all doomed to nothingness, then I must try to form morals and ethics that have nothing to do with Christianity, and I will go backward to my beliefs in nothing but hedonism and enjoying each moment without a thought to others or eternity (been there done that, am saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone). Now I live for His glory.
3. If both of your beliefs are incorrect what will it cost you and others? Will you regret the time you have spent arguing?
I do not regret the time I have in discussion with others about any topic. It is the only way to learn. When we shut our brains off to wonderment and examination, we might as well exist....um, well in outer darkness. Just my two cents.
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