Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool
I don't understand. Why would John give Salome to the church?
**The bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters...Luther, Zwingli, Calvin and you, are mistaken...**
I don't think so. Guess we will find out when we meet our maker at that particular judgment the moment we die. Until then we can disagree amicably.
Prove it!
** there are nearly 30,000 different Protestant denominations and non denominational groups,**
All I will say at this point is
One
Holy
Catholic
Apostolic
Reread EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER WRITTEN on these threads, when I use He/His/Him with a capital "H" I am ALWAYS referring to God the Father or His Son.
You assume quite a bit. Are you certain of this?
I have gone through every reference you've made to her on this thread, you have NEVER ONCE referred to her as "blessed" you have always simply called her Mary. Find an exception and I will apologize.
**It's a new debating technique, keep flinging up garbage hoping that eventually something sticks. Not the best argument, but it is one that is used far too often. **
Oh, so thats what the dimocrats are doing with Bush and Cheney? Who would have known? <sarcasm off
Thanks for the lesson in Greek! wow -- I am impressed.
The TENS OF THOUSANDS of different groups and sub-groups is absolute need for the warning in 2Peter 3:15-17.
**You can't join His church if you're not saved...**
Huh? Jesus says that he came for the sinners. Not for thosoe that are saved. Your post doesn't make sense to me.
I took Greek in college because I thought I was going to major in Classics. But I didn't have enough time to get my Greek credits AND my Latin credits, because I had quit Latin in Jr. High to take German . . . so I wound up with a History major although I had enough credits to major in History or English Lit or German . . .
But the transition from Classical to Koine Greek was not that difficult. I can't read it right off any more like I could when I was in college, but with my Liddell & Scott lexicon and a good grammar I can limp along. Of course, reading the Bible is easier than reading literature, because I know what it says already, I'm just reading for detail!
**On the other hand I have given you Biblical proof that Salome was the aunt of Our Lord....and her children, James and John, were first cousins of Our Lord.**
I still think YOU are the confused one.
Sorry, Diego...you're falling into the same trap that many have fallen into, primarily through ignorance.
The pentacostals, "church of God" and others are simply inventions of men...designed to pump the ego and line the pockets of the "pastors."
But continue donating...I'm sure your pastor is happy in his new Benz...
**Some have even said it still happens today with annulments...**
What on earth are you talking about here?
Do you even know how many kinds of annulments there are? You statement is totally false.
First and last, yes, Let us hand ourselves over to the Love of God in Jesus and the Spirit and let the chips fall where they may. BUT However it is phrased there is something about appropriating XP's gift. Wherever the impulse or choice or whatever begins (and I hold it begins with God) there seems to be something expected of us, and how we wrestle with that something seems to be where the conversation gets interesting.
For example, I agree that it is all XP's gift. No question, but that gift is poked and prodded and nurtured in me not only with Bible study and prayer but with community and sacrament. That is just my experience.
Further, as I said or implied earlier, there are those who will not come to any serious depth of understanding through Bible study. They just can't study. Heck, I was chaplain for a while at a home for severely handicapped kids. They pretty much needed someone to interpret the Scriptures for them. They needed the help of a trustworthy community for every aspect of their lives, from defecating to praying. If the Church is truly "according to the whole" it's going to involve ministry to those who cannot do what you recommend.
Finally, in a gnomic and problematic articulation I would say there are seeming oppositions in your presentation which I do not think are ultimately opposite. I like to say that in the RC schema, "merit" is a grace. This is to overwhelm the too strict opposition which I think Reformers put on those terms. I have said before if I give my child a dollar, drive her to the store, tell her I'd like a pack of gum for my birthday, and she buys it with my dollar, I am very pleased with her and I "reward" her with the hug I wanted to give her anyway. We both know whose money it was, but we both enjoy the transaction of love. And in a similar way, for me to trust a bunch of men in dresses off in a far country and many of whom have a markedly less than stellar record in their personal lives IS PRECISELY nothing other than trusting God Himself. I depend on these guys, BECAUSE I depend on Jesus, not instead of depending on Jesus.
But I started with a half-hearted commitment as a newly ordained Episcopal priest, to give all I did to him. I trained myself to avoid talking about "my ministry" because I wanted always to remember it was His ministry. And as the Episcopal Church went further and further off the rails, I clung to Him. And here I am, headed for hell as some on this thread will firmly assert.
The links you provided are just horrid, full of hatred.
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