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Churches back plan to unite under Pope - ANGLICAN
Times Online ^ | 2/19/2007 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 02/18/2007 5:09:43 PM PST by kalee

Radical proposals to reunite Anglicans with the Roman Catholic Church under the leadership of the Pope are to be published this year, The Times has learnt.

The proposals have been agreed by senior bishops of both churches.

In a 42-page statement prepared by an international commission of both churches, Anglicans and Roman Catholics are urged to explore how they might reunite under the Pope.

The statement, leaked to The Times, is being considered by the Vatican, where Catholic bishops are preparing a formal response.

It comes as the archbishops who lead the 38 provinces of the Anglican Communion meet in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, in an attempt to avoid schism over gay ordination and other liberal doctrines that have taken hold in parts of the Western Church.

The 36 primates at the gathering will be aware that the Pope, while still a cardinal, sent a message of support to the orthodox wing of the Episcopal Church of the US as it struggled to cope with the fallout after the ordination of the gay bishop Gene Robinson.

Were this week’s discussions to lead to a split between liberals and conservatives, many of the former objections in Rome to a reunion with Anglican conservatives would disappear. Many of those Anglicans who object most strongly to gay ordination also oppose the ordination of women priests.

Rome has already shown itself willing to be flexible on the subject of celibacywhen it received dozens of married priests from the Church of England into the Catholic priesthood after they left over the issue of women’s ordination.

There are about 78 million Anglicans, compared with a billion Roman Catholics, worldwide. In England and Wales, the Catholic Church is set to overtake Anglicanism as the predominant Christian denomination for the first time since the Reformation, thanks to immigration from Catholic countries.

As the Anglicans’ squabbles over the fundamentals of Christian doctrine continue — with seven of the conservative primates twice refusing to share Communion with the other Anglican leaders at their meeting in Tanzania — the Church’s credibility is being increasingly undermined in a world that is looking for strong witness from its international religious leaders.

The Anglicans will attempt to re-solve their differences today by publishing a new Anglican Covenant, an attempt to provide a doctrinal statement under which they can unite.

But many fear that the divisions have gone too far to be bridged and that, if they cannot even share Communion with each other, there is little hope that they will agree on a statement of common doctrine.

The latest Anglican-Catholic report could hardly come at a more sensitive time. It has been drawn up by the International Anglican-Roman Catholic Commission for Unity and Mission, which is chaired by the Right Rev David Beetge, an Anglican bishop from South Africa, and the Most Rev John Bathersby, the Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane, Australia.

The commission was set up in 2000 by the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey of Clifton, and Cardinal Edward Cassidy, the president of the Vatican’s Council for Christian Unity. Its aim was to find a way of moving towards unity through “common life and mission”.

The document leaked to The Times is the commission’s first statement, Growing Together in Unity and Mission. The report acknowledges the “imperfect communion” between the two churches but says that there is enough common ground to make its “call for action” about the Pope and other issues.

In one significant passage the report notes: “The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the ministry of the Bishop of Rome [the Pope] as universal primate is in accordance with Christ’s will for the Church and an essential element of maintaining it in unity and truth.” Anglicans rejected the Bishop of Rome as universal primate in the 16th century. Today, however, some Anglicans are beginning to see the potential value of a ministry of universal primacy, which would be exercised by the Bishop of Rome, as a sign and focus of unity within a reunited Church.

In another paragraph the report goes even further: “We urge Anglicans and Roman Catholics to explore together how the ministry of the Bishop of Rome might be offered and received in order to assist our Communions to grow towards full, ecclesial communion.”

Other recommendations include inviting lay and ordained members of both denominations to attend each other’s synodical and collegial gatherings and conferences.

Anglican bishops could be invited to accompany Catholic ones on their regular visits to Rome.

The report adds that special “protocols” should also be drawn up to handle the movement of clergy from one Church to the other. Other proposals include common teaching resources for children in Sunday schoolsand attendance at each other’s services, pilgrimages and processions.

Anglicans are also urged to begin praying for the Pope during the intercessionary prayers in church services, and Catholics are asked also to pray publicly for the Archbishop of Canterbury.

In today’s Anglican Church, it is unlikely that a majority of parishioners would wish to heal the centuries-old rift and return to Rome.

However, the stance of the present Archbishop of Canterbury over the present dispute dividing his Church gives an indication of how priorities could be changing in light of the gospel imperative towards church unity.

Dr Rowan Williams, who as Primate of the Church of England is its “focus for unity”, has in the past supported a liberal interpretation of Scripture on the gay issue. But he has made it clear that church unity must come before provincial autonomy. A logical extension of that, once this crisis is overcome either by agreement or schism, would be to seek reunion with the Church of England's own mother Church.

The divide

The English Church broke from Rome in 1534 as part of the Reformation

The trigger in England was Henry VIII’s wish to remarry. The Pope had said that his marriage to Anne Boleyn was illegal

Henry had been a devout Catholic. But when he turned on the Catholic Church he seized its land and cash and destroyed its religious heritage in Britain

Centuries of suppression continued until Catholic emancipation and the restoration of the hierarchy in the 19th century


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1 posted on 02/18/2007 5:09:48 PM PST by kalee
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2 posted on 02/18/2007 5:10:35 PM PST by kalee
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To: kalee

Wow. Very interesting.
Henry VIII is turning in his grave. [Serves him right.]


3 posted on 02/18/2007 5:15:07 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary: We're going to take some things from you on behalf of the common good. ~2004)
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To: kalee

Welcome home.


4 posted on 02/18/2007 5:18:51 PM PST by pbear8 (Pray for our troops.)
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To: Clara Lou

Lots of people including ancestors of mine would be spinning if it were to happen. Personally I don';t think it will.

I was surprised to see this reported today as the Primates meetings are going on in Tanzania. It appears all is not going well for the orthodox. The revisionists appear to be winning. I don't think there will be any chance of a merger after this meeting is over, maybe some bishops, priests, laymen will swim but I don't think it will be a full merger. Rome doesn't want the revisionists, do they?


6 posted on 02/18/2007 5:23:19 PM PST by kalee
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To: pbear8

Sorry to disappoint, I'm not coming. I'm in a Continuing Church.


7 posted on 02/18/2007 5:24:02 PM PST by kalee
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To: kalee

Bookmark (first I heard of it)


8 posted on 02/18/2007 5:24:20 PM PST by M203M4
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To: kalee

This would put the Episcopal Church of the United States in a real trickbag. They would likely be left in the dust, trying to figure out what went wrong with their plan to create a secular, God-denying, earth muffin denomination.

Some testy little details to work out, like what happens to the Anglican liturgy, etc.


9 posted on 02/18/2007 5:24:32 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: M203M4

I was quite surprised myself. I found a link on a blog and first thought was that it was a joke. It does appear at the Tomes Online site, so I guess someone somewhere thinks it will happen.


10 posted on 02/18/2007 5:26:36 PM PST by kalee
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To: sionnsar

Sionnsar - what do you think the chances are this will happen?

What will the Roman Catholic Church do with divorced and remarried couples? And our Anglican priest is married. I must be missing something here...


11 posted on 02/18/2007 5:30:59 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: ahadams2; Way4Him; Peach; Zippo44; piperpilot; ex-Texan; ableLight; rogue yam; neodad; Tribemike; ..
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12 posted on 02/18/2007 5:34:49 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Some of us don't give a rip about the "new rulers of the Episcopal church."


14 posted on 02/18/2007 5:35:35 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Peach
"What will the Roman Catholic Church do with divorced and remarried couples? And our Anglican priest is married. I must be missing something here..."

The same thing they do with divorced and re-married Catholics--discern whether the original marriage was valid (annulment). It "does" happen in the RC church.

As to what happens to the married Anglican priest--that depends on what HE wants. Quite a few married Anglican priests have converted, and are now Roman Catholic priests (and still married). I think the only caveat is that if his wife dies, he cannot marry again. And, or course, the church has to agree to accept him. But, in any event, the precedents are already in place.

15 posted on 02/18/2007 5:39:12 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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I thought it only happened in the RC church if an annulment was granted? No way am I going through that; I don't believe in it.


16 posted on 02/18/2007 5:41:31 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: kalee

Pope Benedict is a uniter.

United we stand, divided we fall.


17 posted on 02/18/2007 5:43:32 PM PST by baubau
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To: Peach
"I thought it only happened in the RC church if an annulment was granted?"

I don't know enough about all that is involved with the annulment process to give details. All I know is that it DOES happen that people who are divorced and re-married sometimes CAN be legitimately re-married in the Roman Catholic church.

"No way am I going through that; I don't believe in it."

So, annulment is worse than divorce?? I don't get your point.

18 posted on 02/18/2007 5:48:45 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: kalee; pbear8; Kolokotronis
Sorry to disappoint, I'm not coming. I'm in a Continuing Church.

As am I. The first thing the Continuing churches need to do is to re-unite. The ACC and the APCK are so close there is effectively no difference, and IMHO a reunification should have occurred many years ago. I've heard there was an effort by the UECNA to unite with... the ACC?... but it fell apart over one wayward priest?

This Anglican-Catholic discussion is not a bad thing at all, but I suspect there will be too many difficult issues to overcome. (Likewise, IMHO there should be more Anglican-Orthodox discussions -- after all, I keep hearing directly and indirectly about the Orthodox element in Anglicanism. But it will require lots of patience from the Orthodox...)

19 posted on 02/18/2007 5:51:02 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: kalee; monkapotamus; All

I think certain Brit king turn into his grave

Is because some of Churches little tick off that Anglican Church becoming very PC and allow same sex marriages


20 posted on 02/18/2007 5:51:19 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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