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Why the Reformers Read the Fathers [Calvinist/Reformed Caucus thread]
Christianity Today ^ | 2003 | Christopher A. Hall

Posted on 02/10/2007 7:44:52 PM PST by Alex Murphy

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Regrettably, I had to cut about 150 words from this excerpt, which is taken from an article titled The Habits of Highly Effective Bible Readers. A series of dots in the text serves to mark where text was cut.

A reminder to all that this is offered up as a Calvinist/Reformed Caucus thread. In keeping with the guidelines posted by the Religion Moderator, Catholics/Orthodox/non-Reformed Protestants are welcome to post comments, but as guests in our house. Restraint from attacks would be appreciated. This thread is posted to inform, support and defend the historic and Biblical background of the Protestant Reformation.

1 posted on 02/10/2007 7:44:58 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

My Protestant brothers and I are so unappreciated.

*Sniff*


2 posted on 02/10/2007 8:09:10 PM PST by Enosh
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To: Alex Murphy

Had enough of the Catholic/Orthodox Caucus threads with the Fathers, eh? LOL!


4 posted on 02/10/2007 8:21:43 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: rrc

Which part of the caucus bit did you not understand?

Protestants are not Catholics.

Now, my dear brothers, please join me in a righteous giggle...


Amen.


5 posted on 02/10/2007 8:23:11 PM PST by Enosh
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i cant get an answer....

Okay.

Did that help?

I know you are thinking the word Trinity.

That is what I mean when I say God.

7 posted on 02/10/2007 8:38:41 PM PST by Enosh
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That's an excellent article, Alex. I can't find a thing in it I disagree with from a patristics standpoint. I particularly liked this (which will come as no surprise):

"What is theoria?

It's a spiritual meaning, inherent in the literal framework of the text, which takes the reader to higher plane of contemplation. Eastern Orthodox folks are very familiar with this way of reading the Bible."

Theoria is a little discussed subject in the West.

And this bears repeating:

"Finally, we will surround our reading with prayer. Prayer was the sine qua non of the Fathers in understanding Scripture."


8 posted on 02/10/2007 8:51:10 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Enosh

"My Protestant brothers and I are so unappreciated.

*Sniff*"

Now, now. You are regularly invited to the Catholic/Orthodox caucus threads by us Orthodoxers. We appreciate you! :)


9 posted on 02/10/2007 8:54:35 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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Eh?


10 posted on 02/10/2007 8:57:05 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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Forget it.

Kolo is my bro.


11 posted on 02/10/2007 9:07:10 PM PST by Enosh
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To: Enosh; Kolokotronis

Yeah, I've noticed your participation on some of them. I was just taken aback by Kolo's posts on this thread.


12 posted on 02/10/2007 9:09:40 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: rrc

This is a Calvinist/Reformed Caucus. If you are not Calvinist or Reformed then you must behave on this thread as you would if you were a guest in the other guy's church.


13 posted on 02/10/2007 9:12:43 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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--i never understand how these reformers(?)claimed to have used the writings of the church fathers to somehow bolster their positions, but at the same time, can not point to any of these same church fathers, VOICING ANY OBJECTION TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH that they themselves belonged to, and whos allegiance to the vatican they also followed......

Sola Scriptura my fine sacerdotal friend. If it doesn't agree with what is in the Scriptures it might as well be book of Mormon...and will lead to the same place.
(Not exaltation and your own little planet, for those Mormons reading...)

The ECF can be used for things that do agree with Scripture as reference, just as the works of Calvin and Luther can. They didn't write Scripture either. We don't hold those guys up as many claim we do. I have no works of either in the house, but you can pull the Bible outta my cold dead fingers.


14 posted on 02/10/2007 9:13:06 PM PST by Ottofire (O great God of highest heaven, Glorify Your Name through me)
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LOL! We are all brothers, my friend.


15 posted on 02/10/2007 9:18:12 PM PST by Enosh
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Early Christian writings:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/


17 posted on 02/10/2007 10:33:28 PM PST by GoLightly
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**The Protestants...agreed basically with Roman Catholics. Both confessed the Trinity and the two natures of Christ. And if we ask where these accepted doctrines came from—they came from **

Bingo! Thanks for posting this!


18 posted on 02/11/2007 1:00:02 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Enosh

Why do you say that?


19 posted on 02/11/2007 1:05:17 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alex Murphy

An excellent article. I know Calvin often refers to Chrysostom but I haven't read much by him. He's on my list.

People should read the fathers. They give a lot of insight as to their thought process. Sometimes they get a bit wacky but there are great truths as well.


20 posted on 02/11/2007 4:18:07 AM PST by HarleyD
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