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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Man has always tried to find a way to get to heaven on their own. It has always been about God and what he has done but man will have none of it. Instead of having faith in what the Lord Jesus Christ did for us on the cross once and for all, they have to find ways of saving themselves. I don't care if its walking an aisle,being baptized,confessing sins or standing on your head it won't please God. When you believe the cross paid it all, you are covered in Christ's righteousness. Works for salvation is in all churches. The only true church is an invisible body of people who put their faith only in what Jesus did on the cross. Anything else is just trying to please man because it is not pleasing God. Every time you do something thinking it will lead you to salvation, you are saying that the Creator of the Universe, who came down to this evil world as an innocent man to die on a cross for your sins was a horrible mistake and he did it for nothing.


118 posted on 12/30/2006 9:57:41 AM PST by faithplusnothing1
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To: faithplusnothing1

Great post, I believe it. Well stated.


1stPeter 1:2-5

The calling or divine invitation by God, which follows common grace, invites the spiritually dead unbeliever to believe in Jesus Christ, but does not invite the spiritually dead person to lordship salvation, commitment salvation, salvation by morality or keeping the Law, salvation through ritual or water baptism, salvation through emotion, salvation through inviting Christ into your life or heart. All these are systems of salvation by works, and they are excluded. When you add anything to faith in Christ, you have canceled the efficacy of that faith.

Great post name...

Although over the ages, I'm sure there are many with good intentions, trying to communciate the Gospel by different mechanisms, probably just as easily we might counter when an idea pops up in our minds which is from our categorizing of doctrines in our heart, we discover something blasphemous. I wonder how many of those times our ideas catching the inccuracy aren't in themselves a temptation bringing Christ down to man, rather than elevating man to Christ.

Here are some examples off the cuff, of how some people describe salvation:

Invite Jesus into your heart...
Counter: Inviting Jesus into our corrupt heart is like a barker outside a strip joint inviting Christ in for a drink and entertainment. We aren't saved by inviting Him into corruption, we are saved by faith in Him and allowing God the Holy Spirit to regenerate our heart.

Lordship Salvation:
Counter: after salvation, whenever we sin, we have rebelled from our Lord, thereby rendering His work of the Cross ineffective to keep us from sinning, but then are tempted to appeal to our works fro salvation thinking that if we abide by Him as Lord then we will be good enough for Him to save us,....again a false thinking.



123 posted on 12/30/2006 10:31:50 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: faithplusnothing1
So, Matthew 25 was a joke, right?

And when Jesus established Baptism and Confession, and the Eucharist, and Exteme Unction, and the Priesthood, and Confirmation, and Marriage, He was just kidding and when, at the Last Supper, He instituted the Eucharist/Mass/Divine Liturgy, He was just kidding too, I guess.

Y'all got a nice salvific ideology. Too bad it never appears in Scripture or anywhere in the Church until the protestant revolutionaries just started to make such stuff up.

Frankly, your entire post is man made. It has nothing to do with the Church Jesus established. It has never been a teaching of any Pope or a teaching of any Bishop who holds an authoritative office via Apostolic Succession nor has it ever been taught by any Ecumenical Council.

I know Burger King tells us to have it our way but the King of King expects to be heard and obeyed

128 posted on 12/30/2006 11:21:50 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: faithplusnothing1

"I don't care if its walking an aisle,being baptized,confessing sins or standing on your head it won't please God."

F, do you believe we have to "please" God in order to be saved?


135 posted on 12/30/2006 1:19:55 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: faithplusnothing1; bornacatholic

"The only true church is an invisible body of people who put their faith only in what Jesus did on the cross."

Who gave you this concept and why did he not think the Resurrection worth mentioning?


137 posted on 12/30/2006 2:09:03 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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