Posted on 12/16/2006 1:07:45 PM PST by Zemo
Sorry, it's 1 Tim 3:14-15. My mistake. I need a new Bible without pages practically hanging out of it!
" ... the answers that you desperately need are in there."
The only answer I need is in John 1:1. Thanks though for your eternal concern for my salvation.
You wrote: "Was there ever a time when anyone in The Church denied ....+Peter's presence in Rome or that the bishops of Rome are the successors to +Peter?"
Not that I know of off hand. There may have been some heretics (heretics for other reasons really) who did so.
What about 1 Cor 3:11?
You're welcome. I'm sure that the magisterium of that 25 year episcopacy in Rome will be glad to know that they have a true believer in you. Give them my regards.
"Because it may to God's word."
What word and how so?
What about it?
1 Timothy is talking about one thing, 1 Corinthians another.
You do realize that right? You're not micro-focusing to the point of obsciring everything else because of the word "foundation" are you? That would be a mistake.
When inside St. Peter's gate in heaven, I will.
The pillar and ground of the truth is Christ Jesus. They are talking about the same thing.
Please write it down somewhere so you don't forget. You know how long those layovers in purgatory can be.
You wrote: "The pillar and ground of the truth is Christ Jesus."
The verse says the Church. You apparently have a problem with scripture and not me.
"They are talking about the same thing."
No, actually they aren't. The Greek words involved are also different. By why let facts het in the way of ignorance, right?
You wrote: "Please write it down somewhere so you don't forget. You know how long those layovers in purgatory can be."
No, I don't know, nor will I. There is no time in the after life you see.
"The Greek words involved are also different."
Excuse my ignorance and tell me what greek words?
What would it matter if you don't know Greek? If you are ignorant, as you just admitted, how would me telling you the Greek words involved mean anything to you?
I think you should make more effort to actually own up to the level we would all like this discussion to be on. If you don't know enough to handle this discussion then maybe you should jump into the Shrike, or the Jade Sabre, or the Jade Shadow -- whatever it is you're flying these days -- and find something more your level.
I've read the the two scriptures in dispute and I believe they are the same.
What greek words? As you argue.
What does my screenname have to do with anything in relation to this discussion?
You wrote:
"I've read the the two scriptures in dispute and I believe they are the same."
Based upon what I have seen you post, I have absolutely no reason to believe you are competent to make any such judgment.
"What greek words? As you argue."
Nah, it's just not worth my time. I can't see why it would be a fruitful discussion. Can you tell me how it would be when you have ignored the evidence posted thus far?
"What does my screenname have to do with anything in relation to this discussion?"
Nothing. Did I say it did? No.
Are you afraid?
You wrote:
"Are you afraid?"
No. Should I be?
Then present your argument about what two greek words there are and what they mean.
I've read the two scriptures in dispute in english as translated by the King James 1611 version of the bible and they are basically saying that Jesus Christ is the foundation of the Church.
Jesus is the Church.
Why did Charlemagne accuse the Greeks of omitting the filioque from the original creed then if not to draw a distinction between east and west?
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