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Darwin's Graveyards: Yes, he really was a Social Darwinist
http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2006/006/15.35.html ^

Posted on 12/13/2006 10:16:21 AM PST by truthfinder9

One of the most pernicious and widespread fictions ever foisted on an unsuspecting public claims that Charles Darwin was not a social Darwinist. Not so. For example, in a letter to one William Graham dated July 3, 1881, Darwin wrote:

I could show fight on natural selection having done and doing more for the progress of civilization than you seem inclined to admit. Remember what risk the nations of Europe ran, not so many centuries ago, of being overwhelmed by the Turk, and how ridiculous such an idea now is! The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world.

Nor were Darwin's own musings on the social implications of his theory limited to private correspondence. In one particularly chilling passage in Descent of Man he asserted, "At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races." Even more ominously, this insouciantly expressed sentiment cannot be regarded as an illegitimate conclusion from the earlier and more reliable Origin of Species. In a passage historians often cite to prove that at the time of the Origin Darwin was still struggling to maintain his belief in God, Darwin actually, if unwittingly, promulgated the charter for all later social Darwinists: "Let the strongest live and the weakest die… . Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows."

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: darwin; darwinism; genocide; racism

1 posted on 12/13/2006 10:16:26 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

How many inhuman social policies have been promoted from this dubious "scientific" theory?


2 posted on 12/13/2006 10:18:53 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: My2Cents

Waiting for capitalism to come under attack as "economic Darwinism".


3 posted on 12/13/2006 10:28:25 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: My2Cents

Waiting for capitalism to come under attack as "economic Darwinism".


4 posted on 12/13/2006 10:28:28 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: truthfinder9
The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence.

And now how have things have changed in Europe! Of course there was selection. The best people were selected to go to the Western Front, the Concentration Camps and the Gulag. The very clever people selected to go to Ellis Island.

5 posted on 12/13/2006 11:01:35 AM PST by JAWs (Ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed. Der er intet men.)
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To: truthfinder9

Hooah!


6 posted on 12/13/2006 2:49:07 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: My2Cents

I believe a cousin of Darwin's was one of the main advocates of the Eugenics movement. His devotion to that cause was bolstered by Darwin's writings.


7 posted on 12/13/2006 3:31:15 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: truthfinder9
Well, there's "Darwinism" the theory and "Darwinism" in practice. If you looked around in 1900 you'd have seen a lot of "Darwinism" in practice: rapid development of industry, increased competition, some countries rising and invading others, other nations falling into decay. You wouldn't need Charles Darwin to show you any of that. Darwin's theories may have helped make World War more likely, but I doubt the Kaiser or anyone else needed Darwin to justify or entice them into the policies that led to war.
8 posted on 12/13/2006 4:06:37 PM PST by x
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To: lastchance
That was Francis Galton.
9 posted on 12/13/2006 4:08:48 PM PST by x
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To: curiosity

For your consideration. I might have mentioned this review in some of our discussions months ago.


10 posted on 12/14/2006 8:36:06 AM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Dumb_Ox
Well, as is typical of such writing, the article takes a grain of truth and then blows it up beyond all proportion.

It's undeniable that Darwin toyed with some eugenic ideas, but he was by no means the first one to do that. The eugenic movement is older than the theory of evolution. However, he was by no means a eugenicist in the sense that he lobbied the government for eugenic policies. He never did this. Yes, he talks about eugenic ideas in some of his works, but they are a tiny portion of his overall writing, and they're pretty vague when it comes to government policy. As a Victorian Englishman he held the mildly racist views fashionable in his society, but never did he at any time advocate genocide. To try to make him into a genocidal eugenicist, the article does a nice quote mine job, ripping passages out of context to distort their meaning. For instance, they take that oft-quoted passage from the Descent of Man about the civilized human races eventually exterminating the more barbarous ones. If you actually read the passage in context, you will note that this is a prediction of what would happen, not a prescription of what he thought ought to happen. His opposition to slavery and other actions indicate that he did not want to see it happen.

Then there's this passage in the article:

Karl Marx asked if he might dedicate Das Kapital to Darwin, which request Darwin declined only because he did not want to offend the religious sensibilities of his deeply Christian wife.

Which is pure BS, and shows the author didn't do any homework, nor does he even know what is contained in Das Kapital. Darwin's letter to Marx is available online, and it clearly indicates that he declined the dedication because he did not know anything about economics and didn't wish his name to be associated with a controversial economic "theory" (if you wish to dignify Marxism with that label) he was unable to evaluate. The notion that Darwin declined the dedication because of his wife's religion is laughable, given that Marx largely ignores religion in this particular book. Yes, Marx was a rabid anti-Christian, but he saved his anti-Christian ravings for other books. Das Kapital barely mentions the topic, as it is a (poor) attempt at pure economic analysis.

When the article started quoting From Darwin to Hitler, I stopped reading. That shoddy book has been discredited on this forum so many times, it is simply not worth any time dealing with it any more.

11 posted on 12/14/2006 10:03:51 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Wow, I thought you were more sympathetic to Oakes, given his thorough takedowns of ID.

The bellicose "struggle for existence" view dates back at least to Hobbes, but Darwin certainly gave it a boost through his works' confusion of ethical and biological imperatives.

12 posted on 12/14/2006 12:55:54 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Dumb_Ox
Wow, I didn't even realize that was Oakes. I'm shocked. Well, I stand by what I said. I like his other writings, but this one is just way off the mark.
13 posted on 12/14/2006 1:29:07 PM PST by curiosity
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To: tacticalogic
Waiting for capitalism to come under attack as "economic Darwinism".

Suppose you tell us why it's not ... that would be a more fruitful way for you to start an argument.

14 posted on 12/14/2006 1:31:46 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
I'm not going to tell you it isn't, because it is. I'm just waiting for it to be attacked for it.

It follows the same process of progress and evolution through "survival of the fittest" that Darwin describes in his theories. If it is "Darwinism" it must surely be evil.

15 posted on 12/14/2006 2:39:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
It follows the same process of progress and evolution through "survival of the fittest" that Darwin describes in his theories. If it is "Darwinism" it must surely be evil.

If human societies ran according to the principles of Darwinian evolution, they would be evil -- or at least, would be prone to domination by people who are most capable of getting away with the sorts of things we consider to be evil.

We have moral strictures against such activity, though, and people tend to restrain their actions as a result.

Like any other economic system, capitalism is actually just a subset of human social interaction. So the same principles apply.

16 posted on 12/14/2006 2:58:30 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Societies that can adapt to change will thrive. Those that cannot stagnate and die out. There is nothing inherently evil about this.


17 posted on 12/14/2006 3:43:18 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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