To: phatus maximus
The question to you is do you believe in Transubstantiation (Catholic teaching)or co-Transubstantiation(as Luther)?
There is a difference.
14 posted on
12/05/2006 5:54:27 PM PST by
stfassisi
("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
To: stfassisi
I thought the Lutheran position was called "consubstantiation".
-A8
16 posted on
12/05/2006 5:55:50 PM PST by
adiaireton8
("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
To: stfassisi
I think the Lutherans deny that the elements *become* the body and blood of Christ. They affirm the real presence, but "in, with, and under" the elements.
-A8
18 posted on
12/05/2006 6:05:01 PM PST by
adiaireton8
("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
To: stfassisi
Since the Lutherans don't have valid orders anyway, they cannot effect a valid Eucharist. In other words, not only can they not transubstantiate bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, neither can they consubstantiate Christ "in, with, and under" the bread and wine. (At least, that's how the Catholic Church views things, as far as I understand.) :-)
-A8
19 posted on
12/05/2006 6:08:31 PM PST by
adiaireton8
("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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